Channel 4 Now. Dispatches in Afghanistan
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Agreed, very good so far, has highlighted a number of shortcomings especially regarding aviation assets!
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Continues Thursday, 23:00 from the Flip-Flops perspective. Again, could be well worth a watch.
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It was a chilling but different aspect of reporting and showed a side of the armed forces that I haven't seen before. Interesting to hear the sound of the A-10 and also the reporter mentioning a presence of the B1.
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And after five/six days of wall to wall combat, no sleep, not enough food, lack of casevac once (or more) and running short on food and meds. they have to leave the position to be re-occupied by the Taleban 
and what exactly are we stabilising?
And that isn't me being flippant. This is back to WW2 advancing through Normandy, clearing areas house by house and field by field. Only then, we didn't pull back after 6 days of fighting and hand it straight back to the enemy. That only happens when politicians get too involved in the fighting.
I certainly hope that people, politicians especially realise what is actually going on out on the ground, and that whoever decided to go to war with only 8 CH-47s is thoroughly ashamed of themselves - I thought they learnt how to plann effectively at Shriv?!
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The Government can now see the morale of our troops, and their faces when they were told they were leaving the town after six days of intense fighting because re-inforcements were coming, then being told they were not....so basically for nothing...
It was interesting to see the different regiments all working together in such a small unit. AAC actually taking the charge, with Blues And Royals, Light Infantry, Royal Irish Regiment, Scots.... etc....and the Estonians with us...
It was interesting to see the different regiments all working together in such a small unit. AAC actually taking the charge, with Blues And Royals, Light Infantry, Royal Irish Regiment, Scots.... etc....and the Estonians with us...
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This is what our lads get;
And this is what the 'third world counrty' of Estonia provide for their chaps;
The Mambas were actually Brit vehicles that we flogged to them at a fraction of the cost.
Here's a bit more on it.
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And this is what the 'third world counrty' of Estonia provide for their chaps;
The Mambas were actually Brit vehicles that we flogged to them at a fraction of the cost.
Here's a bit more on it.
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Hang on, guys, the fall back might not have been a British decision. I understood the scenario to be that the ANA and ANP were the primary fighting elements of the push against the Taleban in that area, with light UK/Estonian rear support (hence the mishmash of a few UK resources and permision for a TV crew to go along). It was a decision by the ANA/ANP to not send re-inforcements to maintain the security of the village, and we don't know why they changed their minds. There was a report of a bigger batttle elswhere in Helmand. Yes, disappointing for those involved, but we didn't see the bigger picture.
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Hang on, guys, the fall back might not have been a British decision. I understood the scenario to be that the ANA and ANP were the primary fighting elements of the push against the Taleban in that area, with light UK/Estonian rear support (hence the mishmash of a few UK resources and permision for a TV crew to go along). It was a decision by the ANA/ANP to not send re-inforcements to maintain the security of the village, and we don't know why they changed their minds. There was a report of a bigger batttle elswhere in Helmand. Yes, disappointing for those involved, but we didn't see the bigger picture.
The bigger picture should be we either commit 100% or not at all.
It's either a peace keeping/enforcing op where we assist and support a fledgling regime or we do the war fighting bit first then follow up with the tree hugging bit. At present, we are half heartidly commited to a war run and lead by a bunch of gun toting ragheads. British servicemen should never be put in a situation where they cannot at least command and control their own destiny.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to view this online, a la panorama thing on afghan a few weeks back, for those of us that are students on the verge of turning pongo officer (fair few of us in this flat), and who don't have a tv?
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SS- I think it's available as a download at http://www.channel4.com/4od/
the reason they are all from different regts is that the UK team was cobbled together at the last minute - the Irish officer was at a desk in Kandahar planning trg for Afghan troops, for example. They scooped up people who were vaguely free, for what was supposed to be a 2 day job. Officially they were a "Operational Mentoring & Liaison Team (OMLT)"!
Article in the Mail that describes the action is here.
"....three officers were given 24 hours to scrape together what men and equipment they could, and ordered to lead around 200 Afghan National Army (ANA) and police on a desperate 100-mile dash across Taliban-held desert in open top Land Rovers and trucks, groaning with all the ammunition they could carry."
the reason they are all from different regts is that the UK team was cobbled together at the last minute - the Irish officer was at a desk in Kandahar planning trg for Afghan troops, for example. They scooped up people who were vaguely free, for what was supposed to be a 2 day job. Officially they were a "Operational Mentoring & Liaison Team (OMLT)"!
Article in the Mail that describes the action is here.
"....three officers were given 24 hours to scrape together what men and equipment they could, and ordered to lead around 200 Afghan National Army (ANA) and police on a desperate 100-mile dash across Taliban-held desert in open top Land Rovers and trucks, groaning with all the ammunition they could carry."
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Well I thought it was a smashing advertisment for the professionalism of the British squaddy. Cobbled together with a couple of bits of string and a tin of beans they got on with the job in hand. The most telling bit however was the last clip of the cpl medic who was lost for words at the incredulity of the fact they were now having to withdraw.
There was also the bit where the captain was on the blower about "critical this and critical that" and you could just imagine the chiseler in Bde HQ on the other end giving it "yeah, yeah, whatever".
ISAF - good to see they still cannot organize the proverbial wine tasting in a vinyard.
There was also the bit where the captain was on the blower about "critical this and critical that" and you could just imagine the chiseler in Bde HQ on the other end giving it "yeah, yeah, whatever".
ISAF - good to see they still cannot organize the proverbial wine tasting in a vinyard.
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And this is what the 'third world counrty' of Estonia provide for their chaps;
Going off thread and irrelevant in the contex of the important issues raised in the TV programme and this thread but I just cant stop myself reacting. Fellow NATO and EU member Estonia third world? I think not.
Excellent programme - liked the way that the TV crew let the drama of the situation speak for itself and didnt try and sex it up.
Going off thread and irrelevant in the contex of the important issues raised in the TV programme and this thread but I just cant stop myself reacting. Fellow NATO and EU member Estonia third world? I think not.
Excellent programme - liked the way that the TV crew let the drama of the situation speak for itself and didnt try and sex it up.
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And this is what the 'third world counrty' of Estonia provide for their chaps;
Going off thread and irrelevant in the contex of the important issues raised in the TV programme and this thread but I just cant stop myself reacting. Fellow NATO and EU member Estonia third world? I think not.
Excellent programme - liked the way that the TV crew let the drama of the situation speak for itself and didnt try and sex it up.
Going off thread and irrelevant in the contex of the important issues raised in the TV programme and this thread but I just cant stop myself reacting. Fellow NATO and EU member Estonia third world? I think not.
Excellent programme - liked the way that the TV crew let the drama of the situation speak for itself and didnt try and sex it up.
It was said very much tongue in cheek. Almost relating to thier Eurovision Song Contest recognition. Point I was making was they have better kit than us (but so does The Ivory Coast, Iceland and Kazakhstan; jagshemash
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Excellent programme, it was very well presented and you could see that the army chaps on the ground respected the reporter. I think the most salient point was when the reporter after speaking to the irish rangers(I think) captain, he learned of the fate of the village. He then told one of the soldiers, i think he was the medic, the look on his face firstly thought he was joking, after he realised he wasn't joking it turned to one of disgust.
It must be absolutely soul destroying out there to fight long and hard only to walk away and let the enemy waltz back in. I did think that it showed our soldiers to have a huge amount of proffesionalism and integrity, especially when dealing with the injured taliban prisoner.
It will lead to some embarressed faces in the MOD but i think that is about all that will happen. It just highlights the complete lack of resources out there for the actual WAR that is being fought, while at home we are ready for the next round of cuts to reduce our Armed forces to some kind of self defence force.
It must be absolutely soul destroying out there to fight long and hard only to walk away and let the enemy waltz back in. I did think that it showed our soldiers to have a huge amount of proffesionalism and integrity, especially when dealing with the injured taliban prisoner.
It will lead to some embarressed faces in the MOD but i think that is about all that will happen. It just highlights the complete lack of resources out there for the actual WAR that is being fought, while at home we are ready for the next round of cuts to reduce our Armed forces to some kind of self defence force.