Freeze On Navy Promotions For 5 Years
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Jockspice - having spoken to a lot of mates, many of whom this will directly affect and who in many cases are already starting to sniff across to the other side of the fence, I suspect the PVR rate (especially among those around FNO time Lt Warfairies) will rocket. Half the people I joined up with are already actively seeking specialised jobs outside their core training as they feel they're getting no operational exposure to speak of and are sadly wishing in many cases they'd joined another service. Volunteers for the 'Stan and Iraq training and other jobs amongst my contemporaries are numerous.
Oh for goodness sake, before you get so hysterical about this and do yourselves an injury, try reading the leaked memo;
“The leaked memo, from Vice-Admiral Adrian Johns, the Second Sea Lord, said: "In order to rebalance in favour of the front line we are focusing on officers of Lieutenant Commander and above. I anticipate a temporary reduction in promotion numbers primarily in the officer cadre for the period 2008 to 2010 and recovering to present levels in 2012."
Now, does that REALLY justify a heading of ALL promotions to be stopped for 5 years?
More nonsensical defence reporting from the Torygraph……………………….
“The leaked memo, from Vice-Admiral Adrian Johns, the Second Sea Lord, said: "In order to rebalance in favour of the front line we are focusing on officers of Lieutenant Commander and above. I anticipate a temporary reduction in promotion numbers primarily in the officer cadre for the period 2008 to 2010 and recovering to present levels in 2012."
Now, does that REALLY justify a heading of ALL promotions to be stopped for 5 years?
More nonsensical defence reporting from the Torygraph……………………….
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I did this several years ago after getting hacked off with the way things were going. I had 14 great years and would do it all again...well most of it! I have never looked back and though I am now working harder, but earning considerably more I find myself valued far more on the outside than in the Mob.
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As Oggin, jockspice and a few others that have commented are currently in the service (and the bracket) in question, I suspect they will have seen the actual document, rather than relying on leaks or reporting, so they will know more than you.
I am also concerned with those who are already making regular visits to sandy places and will continue to this year; I think the phrase is "turbo-threaders!"
As Oggin, jockspice and a few others that have commented are currently in the service (and the bracket) in question, I suspect they will have seen the actual document, rather than relying on leaks or reporting, so they will know more than you.
I am also concerned with those who are already making regular visits to sandy places and will continue to this year; I think the phrase is "turbo-threaders!"
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If they actually intend to minimise Lt Cdr and above promotion I full support them. We have too many of each rank, and the problem is worse the higher up the ranks you go.
However, stop Lt to Lt Cdr promotion and there will be a lot of unhappy bunnies. Particularly the people who just sold their souls for FTC.
However, stop Lt to Lt Cdr promotion and there will be a lot of unhappy bunnies. Particularly the people who just sold their souls for FTC.
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Now, does that REALLY justify a heading of ALL promotions to be stopped for 5 years?
2SL said:
"I anticipate a temporary reduction in promotion numbers primarily in the officer cadre for the period 2008 to 2010 and recovering to present levels in 2012."
As someone who may be slightly affected by this (as I suspect Jockspice is as well), as WAFUs we will realistically just be getting into zone for 3 rings when it should be back to normal. Do three crunchy appointments and jobs a guddun lol.
...... I guess that's if they keep the FRI going, eh Jockspice ?? !!
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So glad I left!
After reading all this nonsense - even if it may just be merely a reduction in promotions rather than a complete cut - I am so glad that I left 2 years ago! I served for 28 years and left as a Lt Cdr with 14 years seniority and lots of empty promises - and now it is just getting worse. The only way I was ever going to be promoted Captain was to leave the Mob - and I acheived that as I walked into civvy street. I am sorry to say that this is going to cause alot of grief down the line where there will be a big gap in experience as people leave - it is a sorry state when MOD cannot afford to make people redundant and have to resort to this underhand policy!
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After reading all this nonsense - even if it may just be merely a reduction in promotions rather than a complete cut - I am so glad that I left 2 years ago! I served for 28 years and left as a Lt Cdr with 14 years seniority and lots of empty promises - and now it is just getting worse. The only way I was ever going to be promoted Captain was to leave the Mob - and I acheived that as I walked into civvy street. I am sorry to say that this is going to cause alot of grief down the line where there will be a big gap in experience as people leave - it is a sorry state when MOD cannot afford to make people redundant and have to resort to this underhand policy!
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It is really simple
If you dont like what is happening then leave - as posted above, it is harder work, and at time longer hours, but most of the time I return to my own bed, do bath time for kids and have a life.
If you think that the 'old days' of actually being 'looked after' by the Forces with the public and Service valuing you - then forget it. The moment you start to feel a teeney weeney bit bitter or twisted it is time to go.
It is a shock to the system, but wife and kids will appreciate it - there are jobs out there, not just the airlines/rigs, but Defence related and numerous other professions where our skills are appreciated and remunerated well.
It is too easy to sit whingeing in a crew room/behind your desk/in the cockpit - be proactive and give your self options - then you can leave when you want to of it gets that bad.
If you dont like what is happening then leave - as posted above, it is harder work, and at time longer hours, but most of the time I return to my own bed, do bath time for kids and have a life.
If you think that the 'old days' of actually being 'looked after' by the Forces with the public and Service valuing you - then forget it. The moment you start to feel a teeney weeney bit bitter or twisted it is time to go.
It is a shock to the system, but wife and kids will appreciate it - there are jobs out there, not just the airlines/rigs, but Defence related and numerous other professions where our skills are appreciated and remunerated well.
It is too easy to sit whingeing in a crew room/behind your desk/in the cockpit - be proactive and give your self options - then you can leave when you want to of it gets that bad.
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This all came out in the Galaxy Briefing note before Crimbo. Of note, the real gist sits between the 5 year freeze as touted in the torygraph and the 2 year rebalance as quoted above. I wonder what the real truth is, and what everyones first question to their appointer will be this year??
And important to note that this 'freeze' includes CPO to WO and 2OE (Extended Service).
Oh, how we love to p1$$ people off in over Crimbo, seems it's becoming a habit
It would be interesting how this affects each branch etc, because some will be much worse affected than others.
And important to note that this 'freeze' includes CPO to WO and 2OE (Extended Service).
Oh, how we love to p1$$ people off in over Crimbo, seems it's becoming a habit
It would be interesting how this affects each branch etc, because some will be much worse affected than others.
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I personally don't think there will be too many immediate PVRs. What it will do, however, is concrete quite a few people's decision to go at IPP. Let's face it, you only stay past IPP if you are about to get a third stripe or have made it onto the PA spine. Or you're a weirdo. (Gumshield in)
It makes a lot of difference to the guys that now may not even be in zone when the decision point comes - and Mr Branson won't wait forever!
In summary, give it two or three years, and then we'll see people taking their options in droves.
Apologies to all weirdos.
It makes a lot of difference to the guys that now may not even be in zone when the decision point comes - and Mr Branson won't wait forever!
In summary, give it two or three years, and then we'll see people taking their options in droves.
Apologies to all weirdos.
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What a sad state of affairs that such a fine Service is being rapidly dismantled by an ungrateful Government, who must be bordering on the criminally negligent.
I'm on my resettlement and my final date is in 4 weeks. I was a Warfare Lt and can only say that I'm glad I made the choice to go, although the state of the Navy was not a massive factor. I pity those left behind that have to put up with this bolleaux.
I only hope that the rest of the nasty rumours I heard don't come true (only one CVF, only 6 T45, 9 operational FFDD in 2007, all T22 to be scrapped, One LPD to be mothballed, Navy to reduce to 20,000 by 2015 (actually that one's a fact), Collingwood and Sultan to close, HMNB Portsmouth to close etc ad infinitum).
I did wonder when I left if I should be turning off the light. Well I would have been only we weren't allowed the lights on in the day at Collingwood!.
I'm on my resettlement and my final date is in 4 weeks. I was a Warfare Lt and can only say that I'm glad I made the choice to go, although the state of the Navy was not a massive factor. I pity those left behind that have to put up with this bolleaux.
I only hope that the rest of the nasty rumours I heard don't come true (only one CVF, only 6 T45, 9 operational FFDD in 2007, all T22 to be scrapped, One LPD to be mothballed, Navy to reduce to 20,000 by 2015 (actually that one's a fact), Collingwood and Sultan to close, HMNB Portsmouth to close etc ad infinitum).
I did wonder when I left if I should be turning off the light. Well I would have been only we weren't allowed the lights on in the day at Collingwood!.
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This all sounds like a rather depressing situation that this rubbish government is putting Officers into. If you are approaching the end of a short/medium service commission then consider going to the North Sea.
Why?
Work 182 days a year roster either with Bond or CHC Scotia.
Get paid the same as you were in the Navy with the certainty of earning a lot more. The only way you will earn more in a civvy flying job is working with BA Mainline or Virgin but then you will be working more than 182 days a year.
Final Salary Pension Scheme at CHC (like gold dust now!)
Know your roster months in advanced so you can plan a life.
I know this sounds like a sales pitch but compared to the Navy it awesome, I now have quality of life and don’t get shot at!
All three companies Bond Bristow’s and CHC are recruiting and with your backgrounds you will be snapped up.
Why?
Work 182 days a year roster either with Bond or CHC Scotia.
Get paid the same as you were in the Navy with the certainty of earning a lot more. The only way you will earn more in a civvy flying job is working with BA Mainline or Virgin but then you will be working more than 182 days a year.
Final Salary Pension Scheme at CHC (like gold dust now!)
Know your roster months in advanced so you can plan a life.
I know this sounds like a sales pitch but compared to the Navy it awesome, I now have quality of life and don’t get shot at!
All three companies Bond Bristow’s and CHC are recruiting and with your backgrounds you will be snapped up.
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At Virgin, I work a maximum of 195 days a year - usually quite a few less. A Final Salary pension isn't necessarily as great a thing as you might think. Unlike the Military Pension, a commercial company's pension scheme's fate is tied to that of the company - if the company goes down, so does the pension scheme, as several have found to their cost over the last couple of years. The government's pension rescue service isn't worth a damn. My defined-contribution scheme is mine, whatever happens to Virgin and wherever I work in the future.