Army Scrooge Spirit... (just a little flash..)
HEDP - I would suspect that lyneham's finest have the nouse to look beyond their own, and make an effort to make everyone at basrah (or wherever they may end up) feel a little bit more cheery.
As I mentioned earlier, can understand this chaps grumpiness about being somewhere hot sunny and dangerous for crimbo, but the issue is the insulting of his brothers in arms (witness wokka DFCs, mostly earned by putting their lives on the line to get someone out of a sticky situation, the same way that most medals in the army are earned) and the issue of said insult, not on a relatively benign internet forum, which provides a good way to vent and would have been by and large unnoticed by the outside world, but instead talking to a journo for a national newspaper! That is where the issue lies. And I'm also not blind to the fact that what he said might have been mis-quoted, taken out of context etc, but that's why we have media ops trained personnel, and as an officer he should know well enough to watch his words if his intent is not to cause a scene
As I mentioned earlier, can understand this chaps grumpiness about being somewhere hot sunny and dangerous for crimbo, but the issue is the insulting of his brothers in arms (witness wokka DFCs, mostly earned by putting their lives on the line to get someone out of a sticky situation, the same way that most medals in the army are earned) and the issue of said insult, not on a relatively benign internet forum, which provides a good way to vent and would have been by and large unnoticed by the outside world, but instead talking to a journo for a national newspaper! That is where the issue lies. And I'm also not blind to the fact that what he said might have been mis-quoted, taken out of context etc, but that's why we have media ops trained personnel, and as an officer he should know well enough to watch his words if his intent is not to cause a scene
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Special delivery my left nadger!
Perhaps the headline should have read:-
"Squaddie Pi55ed off because he didn't think ahead!"
Last time I was out there over Crimbo the whole crew took outfits with them. Maybe that's why we are aircrew - a small amount common sense!
Happy Crimbo, Pongos, Fisheads and us fine Crab chaps!
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Having not seen the Torygraph article but from the previous posts it appears that the complainant was indeed an officer. He should bl--dy well know better than to air his personal grievances about the RAF in the national press, but he joins a long list of, sometimes senior, army officers who have done just that. Tim Collins proved publicly that you can reach senior army ranks without having the first clue about air power and the operation of aircraft when he proposed abolishing the RAF. His pilot-to-aircraft-to-mechanic ratios might have worked in the Royal Flying Corps but not on a Typhoon, Chinny or indeed AH.
HEDP, as a member of the master race, hopefully you can see over the green army's 'if it ain't raining it ain't training' mentality. If life can be made a little more comfortable and enjoyable on ops, that's a good thing not a bad thing. Any unit, army or RAF, (not just the Herc boys) that get their sh1t on one sock, can send out all the welfare/ents supplies they want through the normal air movements channels. Families can use the parcel service to their heart's content, just as mine did. There is NO RAF exclusive system at work here.
Like I said in my previous post, if the guy was a squaddie I would be disappointed by his comments. Since it appears that he is a hofficer he should pull his thumb out of his arse and organize some ents for his lads rather than just dripping when he sees others making their dets a little bit enjoyable. (might I suggest Max Power and Razzle for the lads, Country Life and Defence Recognition Journal for the wuperts). I can understand this chap's perception of and reaction to events perfectly and it sounds like he really is a knob.
HEDP, as a member of the master race, hopefully you can see over the green army's 'if it ain't raining it ain't training' mentality. If life can be made a little more comfortable and enjoyable on ops, that's a good thing not a bad thing. Any unit, army or RAF, (not just the Herc boys) that get their sh1t on one sock, can send out all the welfare/ents supplies they want through the normal air movements channels. Families can use the parcel service to their heart's content, just as mine did. There is NO RAF exclusive system at work here.
Like I said in my previous post, if the guy was a squaddie I would be disappointed by his comments. Since it appears that he is a hofficer he should pull his thumb out of his arse and organize some ents for his lads rather than just dripping when he sees others making their dets a little bit enjoyable. (might I suggest Max Power and Razzle for the lads, Country Life and Defence Recognition Journal for the wuperts). I can understand this chap's perception of and reaction to events perfectly and it sounds like he really is a knob.
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I do take exception to being commented on as the 'master race', how about you keep your chinless, pretentious comments confined to your own ego! Some of us have a modicum of humility to rely on,
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No offence intended, just reacting to the original comments which I consider to be quite simply wrong. You do realise that by master-race I am referring to aircrew (as you assert to be in your profile) rather than commissioned officer (which your aggressive reaction implies you are not)? Therefore, I hoped that as aircrew you might be more inclined to the RAF's effort to enjoy dets rather than certain army units' efforts to make them miserable. Like I said at the beginning I hold the British Army in high regard and have particular respect for the infantry on our current ops. AH are also doing a fine job looking after SH who are looking after infantry.
I am not the type to publicly sh1t sling a) because it's as inappropriate as the original newspaper comments and b) because I actually have a great respect for the British Army. You clearly think that the reported comments are appropriate and that life should be deadly serious at all times. I disagree on both counts so let's just leave it at that. I shall enjoy my Christmas, be with people I like, have a laugh, eat a good meal. Hell, I might even put a paper hat on my head. If you prefer to dig a shell scrape in the garden, get drizzled on, eat anal blockage biscuits and bleat about everyone else, good luck to you.
We're all on the same side. Merry Christmas.
I am not the type to publicly sh1t sling a) because it's as inappropriate as the original newspaper comments and b) because I actually have a great respect for the British Army. You clearly think that the reported comments are appropriate and that life should be deadly serious at all times. I disagree on both counts so let's just leave it at that. I shall enjoy my Christmas, be with people I like, have a laugh, eat a good meal. Hell, I might even put a paper hat on my head. If you prefer to dig a shell scrape in the garden, get drizzled on, eat anal blockage biscuits and bleat about everyone else, good luck to you.
We're all on the same side. Merry Christmas.
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I can take 'old fruit', 'old bean', 'old boy' etc but not so keen on 'chinless', 'pretentious' and 'egotistical'. That's racist, dude!
Still, made me chuckle.
Still, made me chuckle.
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Its simple:
Squaddies moan....a lot!
Usually its the best way to get rid of any tension borne during a patrol.
I know this is of no real satisfaction to your once again dissed Force, but trust me the vast majority of those presently deployed will moan about you one minute but by God soon give you the praise that you deserve in another. Unfortunately the press were involved with this little rant and I only hope the indvidual concerned has got his satisfaction from it and moves onto something else.
We "Pongoes" on here do not deserve the endless taunting about eductaion and such piffle every time somebody says something without thinking of its consequences. Yes I am a soldier just as he, but please just call the chap a tw*t and move on. We are all of us involved in a common theme and thats things that go up tiddly up up as well as down tiddly down down, so please let us do it with the same grace as our forefathers.
Happy Christmas one & all.
Muttley Out!
Squaddies moan....a lot!
Usually its the best way to get rid of any tension borne during a patrol.
I know this is of no real satisfaction to your once again dissed Force, but trust me the vast majority of those presently deployed will moan about you one minute but by God soon give you the praise that you deserve in another. Unfortunately the press were involved with this little rant and I only hope the indvidual concerned has got his satisfaction from it and moves onto something else.
We "Pongoes" on here do not deserve the endless taunting about eductaion and such piffle every time somebody says something without thinking of its consequences. Yes I am a soldier just as he, but please just call the chap a tw*t and move on. We are all of us involved in a common theme and thats things that go up tiddly up up as well as down tiddly down down, so please let us do it with the same grace as our forefathers.
Happy Christmas one & all.
Muttley Out!
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bin there - done that - going there again, and again, and again......
If the plan goes as fragged I'll be there next crimbo, in my Santa outfit (or possibly an elf)
As has been already said - any fool can be uncomfortable/unhappy etc - and why not break out of the 'equal pain/misery for all' approach that the brit mil seems so good at.....it wouldn't help anyone if a non-infanteer runs down the road to get shot at, just to demonstrate a misplaced sense of solidarity. And can I add my reminder that day to day it's the light blue that deliver them to do their job and fish them out sooner or later depending on whether it goes to plan or the wheels come off. I'd much rather not have to go out to pick up any more P1s......but if I do, I'll try not to ponce around like a 'civvy in uniform'
If the plan goes as fragged I'll be there next crimbo, in my Santa outfit (or possibly an elf)
As has been already said - any fool can be uncomfortable/unhappy etc - and why not break out of the 'equal pain/misery for all' approach that the brit mil seems so good at.....it wouldn't help anyone if a non-infanteer runs down the road to get shot at, just to demonstrate a misplaced sense of solidarity. And can I add my reminder that day to day it's the light blue that deliver them to do their job and fish them out sooner or later depending on whether it goes to plan or the wheels come off. I'd much rather not have to go out to pick up any more P1s......but if I do, I'll try not to ponce around like a 'civvy in uniform'
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I seem to remember some time ago that a sort of army unit dared to have a formal dinner, during the war, and the wrong side of the line.
Now that presumably was OK and not being uncomfortable.
I think similar accusations were made against the RM in Stan once they took over.
As someone said earlier any fool can be uncomfortable.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodm...637618,00.html
Martin Bell has reported for the BBC from over 80 countries and was wounded covering the war in Sarajevo
There is a saying in the army that any fool can be uncomfortable. In the same way, any fool can go hungry. The same applies to war reporters. The wise war-zone hack will travel with a store of basic supplies to be consumed, or traded, in an emergency - not only corned beef and chocolate bars, but whisky (usually Ballantine's) and cigarettes (usually Marlboro) which work wonders as bargaining chips at road blocks. For the rest, it's a matter of following local custom and living off the land.
dared to have a formal dinner, during the war, and the wrong side of the line.Now that presumably was OK and not being uncomfortable.
I think similar accusations were made against the RM in Stan once they took over.
As someone said earlier any fool can be uncomfortable.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodm...637618,00.html
Martin Bell has reported for the BBC from over 80 countries and was wounded covering the war in Sarajevo
There is a saying in the army that any fool can be uncomfortable. In the same way, any fool can go hungry. The same applies to war reporters. The wise war-zone hack will travel with a store of basic supplies to be consumed, or traded, in an emergency - not only corned beef and chocolate bars, but whisky (usually Ballantine's) and cigarettes (usually Marlboro) which work wonders as bargaining chips at road blocks. For the rest, it's a matter of following local custom and living off the land.
