Special thanks from Wiltshire Constabulary!!
I'm showing my age here, but when I served in the (civvy) police our Inspector would have had our nuts if we did what is being suggested here. And my puppy walker, a former Lancaster pilot with a DFC, would have been mortified. Both would have told us to go catch real criminals. I'd say 50% of our Division had served during WW2 and/or Korea. They would sooner have booked their own mothers than those who served. Times change I guess. Wiltshire? That's where that prat Gray is the MP, isn't it? They deserve each other.
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Gentlemen, I am insensed! What is a pickey? Never heard of one! Correct spelling is Pikey - people who allegedly live in caravans, tend not to pay council tax and have a habit of dumping litter (large orange gas cylinders) on their camp sites (camp sites = council sports grounds usually football pitches).
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Insensed? Someone's not being picky enough about spelling.
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Fast but safe makes a good observation. If somebody causes an accident while impaired through excessive drink, I agree; "mind your fingers", "coo isn;t it dark in here". Servicemen\Civil Servants\Professional Aviators and similar are easy targets and can be assured to pay up.
I wonder how many of the hang'em-high posters here are;
a . Rozzers
b . Aviators
c . Service
I wonder how many of the hang'em-high posters here are;
a . Rozzers
b . Aviators
c . Service
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Camera's only catch speed offences, not Drink/Drugged Driving, Dangerous Driving, Construction/Use Regulation Offences or the hundreds of other offences that the old Traffic Dept used to detect and deal with.
However by linking the camera(s) to the NPC and DVLA Computers further offences such as Insurance, MOT or Road Fund Evasion can be detected. But probably the most important advantage is to be able to detect and to some extent track Vehicles of 'Interest' used by Criminals. But this is only a side use to the original reason for linking cameras with DVLA and that was to help to detect vehicles with no Road Fund Tax and help collect it.
IF the Government, Police Authorities & Safety Camera Partnerships were really interested in reducing accidents and improving the standard of driving on our roads then they would be actively increasing the manning of the Police Traffic Dept's instead of reducing the manning and in some case's actually disbanding them. But as the cameras generate income for little to no cost in comparison … there’s little chance of that is there?
Rant Over.....
The the state of the nation.....
We, as Brits,......... proud nation that we are ...
We, as Brits,......... proud nation that we are ...
- Hang BAE without any evidence... (the only Defence Industry this country has left... Like it or not!)...
- Then have to target (with or without warning..) serving members of her HMF.... wherever they serve..
I'm showing my age here, but when I served in the (civvy) police our Inspector would have had our nuts if we did what is being suggested here. And my puppy walker, a former Lancaster pilot with a DFC, would have been mortified. Both would have told us to go catch real criminals. I'd say 50% of our Division had served during WW2 and/or Korea. They would sooner have booked their own mothers than those who served. Times change I guess.
But like those still serving in green/dark blue/light blue in dangerous places on the demand of our national politcal masters whims and fantasy's, todays Plod senior ranks now happily roll over to their local govt. political masters every whim.......
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How times change.
My father (born 1934) was a cadet at Dartmouth, entering in 1947. My grandfather was a big-ish fish in the small pond of Bolton. He bought 5 double tickets to the Police Officers' charity dinner each year, but never went. It was however noted that he was a regular and generous donor.
My father (aged sixteen) took to driving (with his mother's consent) his mother's car, . Quite safely, just no licence, no insurance, etc. My grandfather got a phone call from the Chief Inspector, asking him if he would have a word with his son. The word was had, and my father didn't drive again until it was legal to do so.
My father (born 1934) was a cadet at Dartmouth, entering in 1947. My grandfather was a big-ish fish in the small pond of Bolton. He bought 5 double tickets to the Police Officers' charity dinner each year, but never went. It was however noted that he was a regular and generous donor.
My father (aged sixteen) took to driving (with his mother's consent) his mother's car, . Quite safely, just no licence, no insurance, etc. My grandfather got a phone call from the Chief Inspector, asking him if he would have a word with his son. The word was had, and my father didn't drive again until it was legal to do so.
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Ahh, but they to are guilty on occasion. Sunday night in my local, one of the county's finest was at LEAST 12 pints the worst. His drinking buddies suggested a taxi into the local town, to see if there was any crumpet to be had. "Taxi ?" say's our hero ? "No need for that, I've got my get out of jail free card ", and proceeds to display his warrant card to the assembled.
As it happens, they didn't go to town, ordering a take-away curry instead. That took an hour and an half to arrive, during which time, said c*nstable supped Belgain wife beater at 4 pints/ hour, and on receipt of his curry jumped in his 5 series, and drove the 25 miles back to his house.
Next time, I'm on the phone, and his carreer will be a past tense !
As it happens, they didn't go to town, ordering a take-away curry instead. That took an hour and an half to arrive, during which time, said c*nstable supped Belgain wife beater at 4 pints/ hour, and on receipt of his curry jumped in his 5 series, and drove the 25 miles back to his house.
Next time, I'm on the phone, and his carreer will be a past tense !
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Whilst I fully agree with the sentiments of 'if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to fear,' I can't picture any other large Wiltshire based companies allowing such practises. Imagaine the phone call:
"Good Morning. Is that Wiltshire Constabulary? Ah, good, Honda UK here. Its our final working week before Xmas, lot's of staff parties etc. Would you like to set up camp at our entrance gates and pull our staff over?"
The unions would be all over it like a fat kid on a doughnut.
"Good Morning. Is that Wiltshire Constabulary? Ah, good, Honda UK here. Its our final working week before Xmas, lot's of staff parties etc. Would you like to set up camp at our entrance gates and pull our staff over?"
The unions would be all over it like a fat kid on a doughnut.
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We are an easy option and it SUX.
Is it any wonder the RAFP and their counterparts in "civ land" get such a bad rep?
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We are an easy option and it SUX.
Is it any wonder the RAFP and their counterparts in "civ land" get such a bad rep?
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SVK,
"Good Morning. Is that Wiltshire Constabulary? Ah, good, Honda UK here. Its our final working week before Xmas, lot's of staff parties etc. Would you like to set up camp at our entrance gates and pull our staff over?"
Now imagine the more likely conversation........
Good Morning. Is that Wiltshire Constabulary? Ah good OC A/Plod RAF Lyneham here. It's our final working week before xmas, lots of staff parties etc. Would you like to set up camp at our entrance and pull our staff over? On the final stretch now and this sort of crawly bum lick manouver might just get me promoted so please try to ensure you **** all the chaps/chapesses around
Call me an old cynic but I am sure the prescence of Old Bill was at the behest of some chisseling blunt fecker on Lyneham's staff
"Good Morning. Is that Wiltshire Constabulary? Ah, good, Honda UK here. Its our final working week before Xmas, lot's of staff parties etc. Would you like to set up camp at our entrance gates and pull our staff over?"
Now imagine the more likely conversation........
Good Morning. Is that Wiltshire Constabulary? Ah good OC A/Plod RAF Lyneham here. It's our final working week before xmas, lots of staff parties etc. Would you like to set up camp at our entrance and pull our staff over? On the final stretch now and this sort of crawly bum lick manouver might just get me promoted so please try to ensure you **** all the chaps/chapesses around
Call me an old cynic but I am sure the prescence of Old Bill was at the behest of some chisseling blunt fecker on Lyneham's staff
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30 prosecutions and 60 cautions - sounds like a certain base needed waking up to road safety. I wish the police would speedtrap around my place to catch the t*$$*rs who sit inches from my rear bumber, thinking that the law of the land does not apply to them while I travel at the speed limit. (And I include the RAF police car that did just that on my base last week - it was bad weather so he wasn't out with his own little gun that day).
If you don't break the law then you have nothing to worry about - if you do break the law then you deserve what's coming: there are too many people in this country (service included) who think that the law only applies to other people. Grow Up!!!!!!
If you don't break the law then you have nothing to worry about - if you do break the law then you deserve what's coming: there are too many people in this country (service included) who think that the law only applies to other people. Grow Up!!!!!!
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Cyclic...
No-one is saying Defence people are above the law. However in an environment when police consistant argue they are under resourced and don't have enough people on the streets, do you think it to be an effective use of resources. Of course not..
Some join defence to help our nations, serve our nations, and even risk life and limb... others join to
up those that serve. How proud their mothers must be.
No-one is saying Defence people are above the law. However in an environment when police consistant argue they are under resourced and don't have enough people on the streets, do you think it to be an effective use of resources. Of course not..
Some join defence to help our nations, serve our nations, and even risk life and limb... others join to
up those that serve. How proud their mothers must be.
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Hey Cheesy,
I think you are missing the point fella, no one here is arguing about compliance with or enforcement of the law of the land.
But ask yourself, and to all those others who have pro posted on this subject, is it reasonable for said law of the land to sit outside the main gate of a miltary base and deliberately target those within for a whole week in the run up to the festive period? Once or twice maybe but a week, and then to return and randomly bag folks at luchtime on the stations last "normal" working day before the grant...........I leave it up to you to decide if thats fair and reasonable
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I think you are missing the point fella, no one here is arguing about compliance with or enforcement of the law of the land.
But ask yourself, and to all those others who have pro posted on this subject, is it reasonable for said law of the land to sit outside the main gate of a miltary base and deliberately target those within for a whole week in the run up to the festive period? Once or twice maybe but a week, and then to return and randomly bag folks at luchtime on the stations last "normal" working day before the grant...........I leave it up to you to decide if thats fair and reasonable
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I don't disagree with your comment - the law should and obviously does apply to us as much as Strawberries. The point in question here is there would appear to be an unequal and unbalanced application of the local constabulary to this secret RAF base in Wiltshire, because they knew it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
It just seems like a money generation exercise to me, rather than a road safety one.
If the plod had the next day set up outside Honda, or heaven forbid, Salisbury police station after their end of year XMAS bash - wouldn't we have had similar results??
Having worked in the blunt end of the Station Exec Offices as another secret base near Yeovilton, I can confirm that the XO used to call the local plod and request such a presence - as a 'duty of care' for his people.
Oh - and my final shot. Why do the police get so po-faced about speeding when they get away with driving at ridiculous speeds for 'training' and 'familiarisation' whilst off-duty.
It just seems like a money generation exercise to me, rather than a road safety one.
If the plod had the next day set up outside Honda, or heaven forbid, Salisbury police station after their end of year XMAS bash - wouldn't we have had similar results??
Having worked in the blunt end of the Station Exec Offices as another secret base near Yeovilton, I can confirm that the XO used to call the local plod and request such a presence - as a 'duty of care' for his people.
Oh - and my final shot. Why do the police get so po-faced about speeding when they get away with driving at ridiculous speeds for 'training' and 'familiarisation' whilst off-duty.
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I will admit that it seems unreasonable. I remember that this used to happen just outside Kinloss in the 1980s - in those days of Scottish Law you had to go to court, or write a letter to the court, to plead guilty then pay the fine. Headlines in the Northern Scot would then be "RAF Officer Admits Guilt", or "English serviceman caught breaking law" etc etc.
It seemed harsh, but in those days people were often drink driving and speeding in the area. Where do the Wiltshire Traffic Police go after the shift outside base? You will not be alone. Basically the police target areas of known law breaking and the figures quoted at the beginning of this thread seem to justify the means. Bottom line is - has this made the Base area more safe over X-mas? You bet it has, and perhaps the habitual drinker who usually has a couple at the section do before driving home has been deterred and YOUR child is still safe rather than in a hospital bed or worse. As I said in my original post - I wish the Lincolnshire Police were more active around my village where my children walk home from school and the locals flout the traffic laws with impunity.
It seemed harsh, but in those days people were often drink driving and speeding in the area. Where do the Wiltshire Traffic Police go after the shift outside base? You will not be alone. Basically the police target areas of known law breaking and the figures quoted at the beginning of this thread seem to justify the means. Bottom line is - has this made the Base area more safe over X-mas? You bet it has, and perhaps the habitual drinker who usually has a couple at the section do before driving home has been deterred and YOUR child is still safe rather than in a hospital bed or worse. As I said in my original post - I wish the Lincolnshire Police were more active around my village where my children walk home from school and the locals flout the traffic laws with impunity.