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Old 28th Nov 2006, 07:07
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FSTA to the Rescue?

Telegraph.co.uk - 28 Nov 06

Navy carrier plans delayed as MoD and builders argue price

Also, a decision on supplying mid-air refuelling aircraft may be brought forward.

Sources say the MoD may give the go-ahead for the £2bn Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft (FSTA) next month, rather than next March as forecast.

A consortium led by Franco-German EADS is the preferred bidder.
Looks like Mr Meade may have had an impact!
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Old 28th Nov 2006, 07:15
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£300 million cost increase for those 2 little grey ships is nothing compared to the criminally stupid amount being poured into the London Olympic Games fiasco. Or was wasted on that stupid millenium wart in the middle of nowhere.

Just how many £billion are being wasted on a few people running around, throwing things and getting wet?

FSTA agreement coming forward? Surely a porcovolant comment.
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Old 28th Nov 2006, 09:41
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Originally Posted by SamCaine
how many holidaymakers understand about aircraft?
When you catch a train, do you now how the rail system works
And what the hell has that got to do with tactical re-supply or CAS? Dunno which stone you've been living under, but there is more to the RAF than broken Tristars...
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Also, a decision on supplying mid-air refuelling aircraft may be brought forward.

Sources say the MoD may give the go-ahead for the £2bn Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft (FSTA) next month, rather than next March as forecast
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So, which parts of the deal has HMG backed away from? Fit, Delivery, Price?
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Old 28th Nov 2006, 10:44
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Originally Posted by glum
And what the hell has that got to do with tactical re-supply or CAS? Dunno which stone you've been living under, but there is more to the RAF than broken Tristars...

Hold on Glum, this is a thread about the air bridge to and from theatre and not CAS etc.

The point was made by an earlier poster that Army Officers should be taught at Sandhurst about AUM and Aircraft limitations etc in order to brief their troops accordingly. Quite rightly Sam merely points out that he disagrees with that statement.
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Grrr Surely not another a slip of a tongue???

"Navy carrier plans delayed as MoD and builders argue price

Also, a decision on supplying mid-air refuelling aircraft may be brought forward.

Sources say the MoD may give the go-ahead for the £2bn Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft (FSTA) next month, rather than next March as forecast.

A consortium led by Franco-German EADS is the preferred bidder."


Last I heard FSTA was supposed to cost £13bn...


What exactly will £2bn buy these days???

Or are the latest rumours of an off-the-shelf A330 buy coming to flourition??


Having DAS fitted to an A330 might take some time too... The KAB/KDH slip will still have to be done by the TriMotor for some time...


What exactly is going on with the Strat AT/AAR fleets - is there anyone out there who can let us all know??

Confused of Oxfordshire...
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Old 28th Nov 2006, 23:20
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What makes me laugh/cry is that none of this particular incident was due to the age of the aircraft. Weather - sunset - nail on runway - logistics support. I fail to see how a new aircraft could have performed better (maybe they have run-flats!)

As for KC-30B; no idea as to the cost, but given that the Chines are buying A330s for between $121 and $132 million a pop, and Libya has a $1.7 billion deal for 14 A320 and 6 A330, prices for the tanker can't be far off. Oh, and you get a boom (interoperability) and a freight door too! Buy a few 321s and you get a 200 seat airliner capable of reaching AKT burning about 2 tonnes an hour. Convert a few to VIP fit and hey presto a flexible fleet that can be operated by the same pilots with a CCQ.

Hang on, let me go back to that......£830 million (roughly) to buy a dozen A330s outright. What exactly is the other £12.17 billion giving us?
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Originally Posted by brit bus driver
Hang on, let me go back to that......£830 million (roughly) to buy a dozen A330s outright. What exactly is the other £12.17 billion giving us?
Another 5 years of delays, 6 years of further delays to the ISD, 2 years of trials and 4 years of modifications to bring the aircraft upto the ordered spec

Needs to be funded some how
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Originally Posted by kilwhang
I have a question......... I left the RAF in 1988, having flown Hercs for 15 years. Whenever we operated to new or remote airfields, we carried a fly-away pack which always included a jack and spare wheels. Since leaving, I've been flying the 747 Classic - and still do. We sometimes fly to unsupported airfields and carry a comprehensive spares pack (with, of course, a wheel and jack). The weight of the pack is 1 Tonne which, against a MTOW of 377 Tonnes, has very little effect on performance. I have no idea what the operating limits of the RAF Tristar are, but are you really trying to tell me that the weight of a jack (265kg) plus wheel are so prohibitive that you can't carry them?
As for lack of jacks........why don't you talk to those nice people in the Mojave Desert, they must have lots lying around (for you, special price ).
Preparing to duck behind the parapet...............
I am also astounded that they are not carried as I used to be a flight mechanic(GE) on Tristars for American transair and we always caried spares and a jack in the fly away kit, more recently did the same for B747-200/300s (different operator)and again we carried spare wheels and a jack.
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