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Old 10th Nov 2006, 08:12
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Originally Posted by cynicalint
GlosMikeP,
it has been some time since you did ISS! You would loose many marks for analysis with your contribution. How about...

'combining both organisations will improve communication, save costs, provide continuity and standardisation while being supervised properly by a responsible officer.'


.....sorry, lost myself slightly on the last bit!
Wash your mouth out with soap Cynicalint! ISS!!! I'd happily forgotten all about it until now: 1983 'B' and thankfully not good enough to be selected to teach it. Does it show?
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Allan, what about,

Great idea, medal please!!!
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From the a recent RAF publication


our intent in collocating ***** and *****, is to produce an organisation that will improve the effectiveness and efficiency of the RAF's contribution to the Defence Vision.

We will do this by building structures and mechanisms which facilitate cross-command planning and alignment as well as delivering shared services to both commands, all this underpinned by coherent end to end process ownership
I would not be quite so incensed if the quote were merely "from a recent RAF publication". Sadly, it is a direct quote from the front of the web-site for the new CHQ. Even more sadly, it appears right below the pictures of the 2 people in the very highest positions in the 2 HQs that have now become "collocated" (good name even if they're not quite collocated yet). This implies that - at the very least - these 2 people have approved the use of the phrases shown; they may - of course - have even written them themselves! Holy smoke, I hope not!

I am extremely disappointed that this must mean that we are being run by "managers" and not "leaders" (well that's a surprise I hear you cry). What is more, these "managers" are totally brainwashed into the use of absolutely meaningless management yuck-speak drivel such as displayed above. I am completely certain that they won't give a rat's arse about the fact that I am disappointed with them, but I sure feel better for telling them. Now I just wish that Torps would call them up and tell them that he also thinks that what they said was absolute yuck bollox, and would they kindly remove said trash from the web-site before they embarrass the RAF even more.

Can I just ask for a show of hands from all those who think that Whisky Walker or John Thomson would have allowed their names to be associated with those phrases? Hmmmm - I don't see many hands.

And before some of you slate me for being an old has-been who doesn't realise that our hierarchy nowadays has to embrace management techniques and processes, of course I realise, but I also know deep down that it is not necessary to so openly display such a lack of understanding of the masses (well not so many now) below them who - to a man/woman - think that they are showing themselves in an appallingly bad light by using such bollox language. Would I follow them into the valley of death after using these terms? Not on your nelly!

PS: Is there anybody out there who can tell me WTF that last sentence really means??????

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Old 10th Nov 2006, 17:52
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What is more, these "managers" are totally brainwashed into the use of absolutely meaningless management yuck-speak drivel such as displayed above.

out there who can tell me WTF that last sentence really means??????
Two things here. One, I was told more years ago than I care to remember that SROs and other things intended for lesser mortals should be written in plain, simple language and not a challenge to show ones own erudition.

Secondly, if you, and everyone else, does not understand WTF it means then in true Sir Humphrey tradition it can be taken to mean whatever you want it to mean. In other words, they cannot be held to account.

We will do this by building structures and mechanisms which facilitate cross-command planning and alignment as well as delivering shared services to both commands, all this underpinned by coherent end to end process ownership

<<underpinned by coherent end to end process ownership>> we are so lean that one man will be given the job from start to finish. <<building structures and mechanisms which facilitate cross-command planning>> we shall install a computer network for him. <<delivering shared services to both commands,>> as we said, one man, one job so he will have 2 bosses.
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Oooooooh Pontius, you sound even more cynical than me!
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Very sad isn't it. Even sadder is that I seem to have found the decode:

http://www.isixsigma.com/dictionary/glossary.asp

I predict that you could have great fun with this!!! Why not sprinkle your conversations with some of these terms?

One of my favourites is:

Instant Pudding

A term used to illustrate an obstacle to achieving quality or the supposition that quality and productivity improvement are achieved quickly through an affirmation of faith rather than through sufficient effort and education.
How many Instant Puddings do you know about?
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I think I must be of the same school as Pontius.

1969, day 2 in the Royal Air Force.

Instructor 'Let every paper you write, and every presentation you make correspond to the LogicalCRAB' i.e. everything should have:
Logic
Clarity
Relevance
Accuracy
Brevity

Where did we go wrong?
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combining both organisations will be cheaper.

Beat you - only 6 words.
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Be fair Saint - it could be better (depends on who's running it I suppose)
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Sadly, it is a direct quote from the front of the web-site for the new CHQ.
Got a link to that perchance?
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Originally Posted by FL575
I think I must be of the same school as Pontius.
1969 Logic, Clarity, Relevance, Accuracy, Brevity
Where did we go wrong?
Don't remember the logic bit. Never saw any real application of logic from on high

The one I remember was the A B C however in the brain cells I seem to think that came in with JSP101 about 1967-68 and that AP3184 may have been slightly different as FL575 suggested.

Can't remember but then I didn't have to read and write, read only.

Where did we do wrong? University my boy, university. "In not more that 2000 words explain where we went wrong"

From the question, 'to explain where we went wrong', we may infer that we did indeed go wrong. In this essay we shall examine instances where we might have gone wrong and, using examples, explain where . . .

You get my drift?
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Got a link to that perchance?
Be realistic Sir, it only happened on 17 Oct (http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/news_0610_19.html) and may have been a surprise to all involved. Here is a quote from the RAF Website:

Personnel and Training Command was created on 1 April 1994 as a consequence of the RAF's restructuring programme, embraces all aspects of recruiting, training, career management, welfare, conditions of service, resettlement and pensions for RAF regular and reserve forces worldwide. All RAF policy and implementation staffs involved in the full span of personnel functions are based at the Command's Headquarters at RAF Innsworth in Gloucester.

The Command employs 17,000 people, including 4,000 civilians, at more than 30 locations. It is responsible for over 500 training aircraft of which 150 are gliders. Headquarters staff number some 1,200, of whom half are civilian.


If you want to see the latest, I suggest an FOI enquiry.

Having got to the Media Comms website (address above) I idly browsed a couple of items. Digressing from the main thread, slightly may be, Features caught my eye:

Pressure cooker.
Which popular sport or pastime has many thousands of hours of dedicated television time, a World Cup and an Olympics as well as many international and national competitions? You would be forgiven for immediately thinking of Association Football, but the surprising answer is the culinary arts, or cooking to the layman!
23 July 2005


WTF has is the relevance of this?
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