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Lost leave!
Just wondering how many of you actually get to use your full annual entitlement.
It seems the norm on my Sqn, with OOA and other detachments, guard etc that you have to carry over your fourteen days a year, in mine and many others cases more than 14 days are regurlarly getting carried over!
This is a bad situation, if I can't get my entitlement taken one year how am I supposed to be able to take next years plus another couple of weeks?
I want to be able to take all my leave "If I can't" then we should be payed a bonus payment at the daily rate for all the leave you haven't been able to take.
It seems the norm on my Sqn, with OOA and other detachments, guard etc that you have to carry over your fourteen days a year, in mine and many others cases more than 14 days are regurlarly getting carried over!
This is a bad situation, if I can't get my entitlement taken one year how am I supposed to be able to take next years plus another couple of weeks?
I want to be able to take all my leave "If I can't" then we should be payed a bonus payment at the daily rate for all the leave you haven't been able to take.
At a certain aerodrome darn sarf, the inept little git who was allegedly the Staish at the time refused to sign many leave carry-overs - because it would reflect adversely on his 'performance indicators 
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At least the tw@t left on redundancy (no-one was sad to see him go), so is unable to do any more damage to morale.
'....At least the tw@t left on redundancy (no-one was sad to see him go), so is unable to do any more damage to morale.
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stick a leave pass in for any leave that you are entitled to. it has to be signed, either in acceptance or rejection. this at least means that you wont lose any leave when carrying over from one leave year to another.
i think that technically (feel free to correct me here) the mod doesnt have to give you your leave though, all to do with QRs' etc. how this would stand up though when challenged in the courts is anyones guess.
the main thing is to get those leave passes officially rejected so that the stats are there for all to see.
i think that technically (feel free to correct me here) the mod doesnt have to give you your leave though, all to do with QRs' etc. how this would stand up though when challenged in the courts is anyones guess.
the main thing is to get those leave passes officially rejected so that the stats are there for all to see.
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I'm with Snowball 1 on this issue. I have worked for bosses who whilst unwilling to let me take my leave when I wanted/needed it always insisted on submission of leave pass and subsequent rejection. If you don't do that then you will be throwing it away, no ifs or buts now, its no longer the 'privilege' it used to be.
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There is also a tendency to apply espirit de corp. A big visit is programmed - you anticipate leave will be restricted so you don't apply. Wrong.
There is an inspection and a leave ban imposed. You don't apply. Wrong. Only thing here is be prepared to take leave when they approve your leave pass.
You work in an office with one other person. You both want leave at half-term. One of you agrees to put in a leave pass. Wrong. Both of you put in the leave pass and let your boss stop you.
And so on.
Work out your leave plan when you want leave. Clearly you must take some 'out of season' leave as everyone cannot expect a 6-week block in summer, but you do not have to take that summer leave that was refused in July in October.
Anyway the extended Christmas leave will soak up 2 days of your excess.
There is an inspection and a leave ban imposed. You don't apply. Wrong. Only thing here is be prepared to take leave when they approve your leave pass.
You work in an office with one other person. You both want leave at half-term. One of you agrees to put in a leave pass. Wrong. Both of you put in the leave pass and let your boss stop you.
And so on.
Work out your leave plan when you want leave. Clearly you must take some 'out of season' leave as everyone cannot expect a 6-week block in summer, but you do not have to take that summer leave that was refused in July in October.
Anyway the extended Christmas leave will soak up 2 days of your excess.
I tried this a while back but because I had carried over the (now almost standard) 15 days the previous year my request was declined ('look, it says in QRs'). Apparently this was to prevent a backlog of leave even though I already had a leave pass in that would have used all leave that I was requesting. It seems someone forgot to tell Handbrake House that flexibility was the key to air power!
How does this work in the training system? After an 18 month course with 2 weeks of scheduled leave (if your lucky) will we all be entitle to carry over any that we don't use?
How does this work in the training system? After an 18 month course with 2 weeks of scheduled leave (if your lucky) will we all be entitle to carry over any that we don't use?
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The problem continues when you leave the OCU as the sqn is often keen to get you opqual in as short a time as possible. Leave for the first 6 months is a bonus. Anyway you should be so keen, having left the training system, that you only want to fill your boots. OK Mrs AP might be a bit cheesed off but she will have to learn to take the rough with the rough.
I have been rolling two weeks forward for the last 6 years until I really need it and the boss can't refuse
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Of course a better solution would be for the MoD to have to pay you for any leave not taken at the end of the year but I'm sure that would become reality shortly after a "whatever is best, sod the cost" policy is adopted by the MoD.
I want to be able to take all my leave "If I can't" then we should be payed a bonus payment at the daily rate for all the leave you haven't been able to take
When I pointed out that the majority of us were desperate to take our leave and get away from work, but that the op tempo meant that we were unable to take it, and by being unable to sell it, we were effectively being penalised through no fault of our own.
Never did get a proper answer
And in answer to the original question, I haven't managed to take all my leave for the last 8 years
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Don't forget JPA now tracks leave and it seems that leave is automatically authorised every time by 'the system'! It does make it difficult to have leave formally denied in writing if there is now no way of documenting the fact that leave has been applied for and denied! Or am I missing something?
It does seem to be a RAF thing though - our RN counterparts in JFH don't seem to have any difficulty getting their leave in, along with every Fri afternoon/ monday morning plus a few extra days here and there etc etc!
It does seem to be a RAF thing though - our RN counterparts in JFH don't seem to have any difficulty getting their leave in, along with every Fri afternoon/ monday morning plus a few extra days here and there etc etc!
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If you don't apply for your leave, you are wrong!
If management is unable to give you your annual leave 'entitlement' they are wrong.
It is as simple as that!
Common sense intervenes, as not everyone can take all their leave at once, leaving the Sqn empty etc...., but if your boss etc.. is unable to plan on your absence for the full year's entitlement, he is missing the point.
Give as much notice as possbile, to plan your valuable time off, and it also gives management enough time to plan, schedule, operate without you.
Realistically, most of you THINK you cannot take leave. Admitedly it may not be at a convenient time during Sqn Ops, Dets, etc.. but no matter how important you think you are, TAKE YOUR LEAVE........
If management is unable to give you your annual leave 'entitlement' they are wrong.
It is as simple as that!
Common sense intervenes, as not everyone can take all their leave at once, leaving the Sqn empty etc...., but if your boss etc.. is unable to plan on your absence for the full year's entitlement, he is missing the point.
Give as much notice as possbile, to plan your valuable time off, and it also gives management enough time to plan, schedule, operate without you.
Realistically, most of you THINK you cannot take leave. Admitedly it may not be at a convenient time during Sqn Ops, Dets, etc.. but no matter how important you think you are, TAKE YOUR LEAVE........
In 17 years of devoted service to Her Majesty, I have never once been able to take my full leave ENTITLEMENT, either through being incredibly busy op-wise or not needing to. Having worked with several other NATO nations who get paid for un-taken leave, they were not encouraged by economic forces to 'sell' their leave.
Bring it on...might keep the family HM in clothes..we can't afford to go on holiday these days anyway.
Bring it on...might keep the family HM in clothes..we can't afford to go on holiday these days anyway.
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Personnel are entitled to leave but operational necessity may dictate that its not possible to take it and if this is the case the MoD must make allowances to recompense you for your lost leave allowance (carrying over).
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If 23 people all miss 10 days leave that mans the boss has one extra man to play with. If everyone, well say a quarter, miss 10 days leave then that translates to about 450 extra men that the big cheese has to play with. If he wears green then it would be nearer a 1000 extra squadies.
Awesome. No wonder they bleat but do nothing.
Awesome. No wonder they bleat but do nothing.
Albeit several years ago now, I remember being told, when trying to convince an Establishment Review Board of the need for an extra SNCO. that 'as people only took about 80% of their leave in a year' then that was the figure used for calculating manpower
The moral is: the less leave you take the greater the manpower cuts
Always submit despite what your boss says - and make sure you get the rejection slip returned - or whatever passes for that in the wonderful world of JPA!
The moral is: the less leave you take the greater the manpower cuts
Always submit despite what your boss says - and make sure you get the rejection slip returned - or whatever passes for that in the wonderful world of JPA!
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Mova, sorry if I worried you. I tried to be new PC non-PC. May have been influenced by a tale I hear of fisticuffs last Valentine's Day.
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Which Air Force are you in?
The answer to that question probably depends on how old you are and what rank/specialisations you hold. Like most in my position (38 yrs & heading for the door) I've served in most areas. Hi op tempo, training, staff and now desk driving. Most of the time you can get leave in although not all of it at the ideal time of your own choice. A bit of compromise normally accomodates but that's the life we have chosen. Don't forget to factor in the gash time off as well. Black stacks, Friday early knockoffs, extended xmas grants (often 2 weeks off for 2 days leave or thereabouts).
If you want paying for any lost days then you will have to account for every hour away from work or else it is fraud.
As ever, be careful what you ask for as you just might get it.
If you want paying for any lost days then you will have to account for every hour away from work or else it is fraud.
As ever, be careful what you ask for as you just might get it.