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"well behaved" and "under full control" .......that barely applies to most of the two-legged animals around here - not much chance of it being applied to their stupid, smelly hounds. Yes, you guessed it: I prefer cats, and I don't take mine to work. Once left my office at a 'Secret Base in Oxon' to find two colleagues discussing the composition of some dog by-product - "can't be from mine, I feed him Winalot" says the one prodding it with his swagger stick (oops that's a giveaway).....delightful!
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Why??
Remind me, this is the 21st century?
My last place was like frickin crufts. More dogs turned up for the morning brief than students. (Although some of the hounds would have had more chance at passing an IRT).
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Retriever, green wellies and a Land Rover Discovery / Volvo estate, are I believe, issued on promotion to Wg Cdr. 
On a serious note, the whole dogs in work thing has long been an upper class issue.... e.g. "I am SATCO/ WgCdr Ops/ Stn Cdr/ OC**Sqn, therefore I SHALL have my lab/ retriever/ collie (never a Staffie or a mongrel is it?) in work with me, because I can. That'll show the plebs their place."
This practice has to stop. It's 2006 for Christ's sake. If SAC Bloggs can't bring his dog into work, why should OC Ops?
This is just the sort of thing that gets OR's backs' up.
Stick the dog in the RAFP dog section during the day if he can't be trusted to stay at home. Those guys are trained far better than vous et moi to look after mutts.
And just for the record, I am a dog owner. 3 year old German Shepherd who can go for several (i.e. 6 or 7) hours at home quite happily (it's called training) without Dad or Mum.
On a serious note, the whole dogs in work thing has long been an upper class issue.... e.g. "I am SATCO/ WgCdr Ops/ Stn Cdr/ OC**Sqn, therefore I SHALL have my lab/ retriever/ collie (never a Staffie or a mongrel is it?) in work with me, because I can. That'll show the plebs their place."
This practice has to stop. It's 2006 for Christ's sake. If SAC Bloggs can't bring his dog into work, why should OC Ops?
This is just the sort of thing that gets OR's backs' up.
Stick the dog in the RAFP dog section during the day if he can't be trusted to stay at home. Those guys are trained far better than vous et moi to look after mutts.
And just for the record, I am a dog owner. 3 year old German Shepherd who can go for several (i.e. 6 or 7) hours at home quite happily (it's called training) without Dad or Mum.
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My PA has two Bassets. One big the other bigger. It takes up two arm chairs and has BO. Somethings got to go and it probably won't be me of the dogs.
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Best ask your adminer where that is writ in stone methinks. All I can find in QRs is:
WPH
In reality, what happens is that army officers have them stapled to their left thigh on graduation from Sandhurst. 
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Up until very recently, I too was a dog owner. However, since he was bought for me by my kids when my wife died, that meant that there was never anybody at home when I went to work. Since I leave home at about 0630 every morning and get home between 1800 and 1900 every day, I think that might be somewhat of a challenge for even the most tolerant of dogs. Moreover, the kids at work loved him and complained to me when (on the odd occasion when number 2 son was home and refused to allow me to take the dog to work) the dog was not there.
Overall I think it is entirely dependent upon what everybody else at work thinks and what the circumstances are. That's my two-pennorth.
According to QRs, it is infact, only officers who can bring dogs into work (I've just asked an adminer).
PART 19 - ANIMALS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
Service Animals
J5.791. Commanding officers of units having animals on charge are to ensure that Regulations and Instructions for Army Veterinary and Remount Services (Army Code No 61641) are observed.
Domestic Animals and Livestock
J5.792.
a. Commanding officers are to issue such orders as are necessary to ensure that livestock and domestic animals which are kept within stations, establishments, barracks or married quarters are properly maintained and controlled so that they are neither a nuisance nor a hazard to health, and do not bring the Service into disrepute. These orders must be compatible with such local bylaws and regulations issued by the civil authorities as may be in force and should make it clear in what circumstances the prior permission of the commanding officer will be required and should also define any conditions which will automatically be attached to permits issued on his authority.
b. When an entire unit or establishment moves, commanding officers are to ensure that all local rules and regulations covering the movement of animals from one country to another or from one part of a country to another are readily available and are brought to the notice of servicemen and their families, particularly during times of epidemic.
c. Owners of animals are individually responsible whenever they move for informing themselves of current laws, rules and regulations whether in the United Kingdom or abroad concerning the import or export of animals.
d. Owners moved from one area to another who do not wish or are unable to take their domestic animals with them are to make suitable arrangements either for their transfer to another home or for their humane disposal by a civilian veterinary officer or inspector of the RSPCA or other similar organisation. Where no such organisation exists units are to make their own arrangements. In no circumstances are dogs or other domestic animals to be abandoned.
e. Commanding officers are to arrange with the RSPCA or similar organisation or the local public health department for the humane disposal of any stray animals found on their stations, establishments, barracks or married quarters. Where there is no alternative, units are to make their own arrangements for disposal.
Service Animals
J5.791. Commanding officers of units having animals on charge are to ensure that Regulations and Instructions for Army Veterinary and Remount Services (Army Code No 61641) are observed.
Domestic Animals and Livestock
J5.792.
a. Commanding officers are to issue such orders as are necessary to ensure that livestock and domestic animals which are kept within stations, establishments, barracks or married quarters are properly maintained and controlled so that they are neither a nuisance nor a hazard to health, and do not bring the Service into disrepute. These orders must be compatible with such local bylaws and regulations issued by the civil authorities as may be in force and should make it clear in what circumstances the prior permission of the commanding officer will be required and should also define any conditions which will automatically be attached to permits issued on his authority.
b. When an entire unit or establishment moves, commanding officers are to ensure that all local rules and regulations covering the movement of animals from one country to another or from one part of a country to another are readily available and are brought to the notice of servicemen and their families, particularly during times of epidemic.
c. Owners of animals are individually responsible whenever they move for informing themselves of current laws, rules and regulations whether in the United Kingdom or abroad concerning the import or export of animals.
d. Owners moved from one area to another who do not wish or are unable to take their domestic animals with them are to make suitable arrangements either for their transfer to another home or for their humane disposal by a civilian veterinary officer or inspector of the RSPCA or other similar organisation. Where no such organisation exists units are to make their own arrangements. In no circumstances are dogs or other domestic animals to be abandoned.
e. Commanding officers are to arrange with the RSPCA or similar organisation or the local public health department for the humane disposal of any stray animals found on their stations, establishments, barracks or married quarters. Where there is no alternative, units are to make their own arrangements for disposal.
Didn't you know a Black Labrador is standard issue kitting at Cranwell!
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And just for the record, I am a dog owner. 3 year old German Shepherd who can go for several (i.e. 6 or 7) hours at home quite happily (it's called training) without Dad or Mum.
Overall I think it is entirely dependent upon what everybody else at work thinks and what the circumstances are. That's my two-pennorth.
One needs to be wary about whom one chooses to monitor the pooch if you're called away from the office for an hour or two.
There are unscrupulous miscreants who take delight in such activities as feeding your hound eggs, or butter, and inviting the beast to spend the day in the RSM's office.
BTW, do I detect a hint that Scampton's MO may have been responsible for the demise of Gibson's dog (I won't name it for fear of raising the wrath of the PC brigade).
There are unscrupulous miscreants who take delight in such activities as feeding your hound eggs, or butter, and inviting the beast to spend the day in the RSM's office.
BTW, do I detect a hint that Scampton's MO may have been responsible for the demise of Gibson's dog (I won't name it for fear of raising the wrath of the PC brigade).
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How true diginagain. The little buggas (cadets that is) used to feed my pooch egg sandwiches on occasion to ensure that I had to drive home with the windows open!!!
I never had a problem with my chief bringing his dog in to work when I ran an Arm Eng Flt, as it used to chase the bunnies out of the ESA - they play merry hell with the earthworks otherwise...
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Originally posted by Nozzlefaff and then mysteriously missing:
That's what you get with the new breed of aircrew dogs.
I'll get me 'at, scarf, lead and doggy bag
My last sqn crewroom was like the crufts show ring. The odd dog is fine but 3 or 4 of them vieing for attention in the crewroom is alittle much. I'm certainly of the opinion that all should be consulted before releasing the hounds (plus there was enough dog hair in the sqn waggon to stuff a mattress which was out of order) The fact that rank should play a part in whether you can bring a dog in is ridiculous.
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When I was a METS stude at Finningley there was a guy on my course who wrote a very interesting letter to the PMC asking permission to keep his dog in his room. Amongst many hilarious comments in his application letter was "...and I assure you that Cindy is far better behaved and far more loyal than her owner."
Strangely enough, permission was granted. Unfortunately, one morning there was a Station Commanders inspection of Filton block and our hero had just returned from night flying so had put a hotel "Do Not Disturb" sign on his door and was happily snoring and burping away in bed with Cindy on the floor alongside when in walked the staish. Cindy didn't like uninvited guests and the staish left a hell of a lot faster than he had entered.
Beags, you know who we are talking about here - the Bisto Kid!
Strangely enough, permission was granted. Unfortunately, one morning there was a Station Commanders inspection of Filton block and our hero had just returned from night flying so had put a hotel "Do Not Disturb" sign on his door and was happily snoring and burping away in bed with Cindy on the floor alongside when in walked the staish. Cindy didn't like uninvited guests and the staish left a hell of a lot faster than he had entered.
Beags, you know who we are talking about here - the Bisto Kid!
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Oh those poor old OR's, how will they be able to cope if they aren't allowed their dog to work like those nasty orrificers!
Given the opinion that it is the 21st century so therefore if anyone is allowed then all should be allowed a dog in work perhaps we should translate that to the rest of the workplace.
Officers and Sgt's messes for them only, oh no, no, no Sir. This is the 21st century and we can't be having that now can we Sir! Equality and all that, Sir.
I am sure there are many more tongue in cheek examples but I really can't be bothered, hunkers down, awaits incoming...............
Given the opinion that it is the 21st century so therefore if anyone is allowed then all should be allowed a dog in work perhaps we should translate that to the rest of the workplace.
Officers and Sgt's messes for them only, oh no, no, no Sir. This is the 21st century and we can't be having that now can we Sir! Equality and all that, Sir.
I am sure there are many more tongue in cheek examples but I really can't be bothered, hunkers down, awaits incoming...............
I find it terribly annoying when Living Out Dogs pitch up in the Mess without being invited by a Living In Dog. Causes havoc with ones Mess Bill.
I was not aware that OR's were allowed pets, or indeed, could even afford a good Gun Dog.
I was not aware that OR's were allowed pets, or indeed, could even afford a good Gun Dog.
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Folks, although it’s probably already obvious, I’m in complete agreement with QFIHawkman’s view on this (by the way chap, does the 0251 post time imply that you’re in distant climes or merely an insomniac?).
Quite honestly, to me, it beggars belief that in this day, age and operational climate, individuals feel they have the right to inflict their animals (and the plethora of macro-life resident on them) on colleagues, particularly subordinates, in the workplace. The practice is arrogant and should cease. If officers / SNCOs have such a “right”, what of the juniors? We either have rules for all, or no rules at all (and I don’t think that would work – although…….)
I also take issue with the stance that this practice is acceptable if no objections are voiced by the rest of the workforce. How many juniors are likely to object to the person who writes their 6000/OJAR bringing Fido to work? How many newcomers to a shared office/kennel are likely to voice objection regarding the “status quo” of dog + blanket/basket/ bowl/assorted paraphernalia to the incumbent who instigated the practice? Similarly, if we did allow everyone this “right” what would constitute the maximum allowable number of dogs in any particular work environment before it became untenable – are we a military service or a menagerie?
Let’s place this posturing, elitist practice in the bin with all the other fashionista affectations.
Anyway, must go now before lunch ends - got to take the dog for a walk.......
Quite honestly, to me, it beggars belief that in this day, age and operational climate, individuals feel they have the right to inflict their animals (and the plethora of macro-life resident on them) on colleagues, particularly subordinates, in the workplace. The practice is arrogant and should cease. If officers / SNCOs have such a “right”, what of the juniors? We either have rules for all, or no rules at all (and I don’t think that would work – although…….)
I also take issue with the stance that this practice is acceptable if no objections are voiced by the rest of the workforce. How many juniors are likely to object to the person who writes their 6000/OJAR bringing Fido to work? How many newcomers to a shared office/kennel are likely to voice objection regarding the “status quo” of dog + blanket/basket/ bowl/assorted paraphernalia to the incumbent who instigated the practice? Similarly, if we did allow everyone this “right” what would constitute the maximum allowable number of dogs in any particular work environment before it became untenable – are we a military service or a menagerie?
Let’s place this posturing, elitist practice in the bin with all the other fashionista affectations.
Anyway, must go now before lunch ends - got to take the dog for a walk.......
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At Finningley the PMC drew the line at Goldfish.
According to QRs, it is infact, only officers who can bring dogs into work (I've just asked an adminer).
Absurd! I always thought it was fine, as long as your work colleagues did not have any objections.
Guy Gibson did it for years until the Station Doctor did something about it!
Absurd! I always thought it was fine, as long as your work colleagues did not have any objections.
Guy Gibson did it for years until the Station Doctor did something about it!
