Service Pay - Comment by Boris Johnson
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Boris Johnson is seen by many as a bumbling fool. I think he's not too bad... although obviously from healthy stock he holds no airs and graces, does not think he is better than the common man (or at least that's how he comes across).
Compare him to the likes of Two A**es, sorry 2 Jags, who is a Labour man, supposedly the party of the people, and his attitude.
Good on Boris for writing this piece. Watch with interest as the Government strike at the speed of a somnabulent 3 toed sloth to remedy the situation.
Compare him to the likes of Two A**es, sorry 2 Jags, who is a Labour man, supposedly the party of the people, and his attitude.
Good on Boris for writing this piece. Watch with interest as the Government strike at the speed of a somnabulent 3 toed sloth to remedy the situation.
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Not wishing to denigrate Bumbling Boris and his attempts to better our lot but one or two areas of concern over his piece.
From AFPRB report 2006. Military salary for a new recruit is £12162. The lowest rate of pay post phase 2 training is £14323. Also, by implication she is a Servicewomen in the RAF. If so, why would she be required to vacate her quarter because her husband left her? If serving she would be entitled in her own right. And pension contributions?
This seems to be an attempt to have a pop at the government (no problems with that) but he has tried to raise the profile of his attack by cashing in on the current sympathy (?) for the Armed Forces and I do have a problem with being used to further the personal ambitions of any politico.
The lady in question would appear to be an ex dependant (wife of) who works for the MAC in supply flight. No doubt worthy of our sympathy but not RAF.
From AFPRB report 2006. Military salary for a new recruit is £12162. The lowest rate of pay post phase 2 training is £14323. Also, by implication she is a Servicewomen in the RAF. If so, why would she be required to vacate her quarter because her husband left her? If serving she would be entitled in her own right. And pension contributions?
This seems to be an attempt to have a pop at the government (no problems with that) but he has tried to raise the profile of his attack by cashing in on the current sympathy (?) for the Armed Forces and I do have a problem with being used to further the personal ambitions of any politico.
The lady in question would appear to be an ex dependant (wife of) who works for the MAC in supply flight. No doubt worthy of our sympathy but not RAF.
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Not convinced the article refers to Armed Forces Service pay, rather MOD Civil Service pay. Our lowest pay band pays about 14K before tax and we obviously have a non-contributory pension scheme. But I'm all for rewarding our highly skilled under paid, hard-working civil servants with a well deserved pay rise. Anyway, she better hope the Union don't find out that she's currently working 45 hrs a week - she's supposed to be working to rule!
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Endplay, agreed, not uniform. However, Boris is highlighting 2 important points. Brown has cleverly been buying votes by using state money for susidies. In doing so he has created a huge disincentive to work at the margin. He is making millions of people dependent on state coffers and more likely to vote Labour. Council Tax has risen because public sector pensions are not fully funded by Govt and yet he has also massively increased the public sector workforce. Never said he (Br00n), was not clever!
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The lowest pay band in the Civil Service, E2 starts on £11.220.
My pension is contributory at 3.5%
The normal contracted hours are 37 working hours, there maybe some reference to 42 hours but this assumes a one hour unpaid lunch break.
Holidays are , 25 days, rising to 30 day paid holiday plus 10.5 days public and privilege holidays. Job security was also and incentive.
The downsides can be working with service people who resent the creeping civilianisation of 8-5 jobs. This is more apparent in the middle management who seem to get upset that they don't have the same powers over a civilian as they do a service person. To add some balance there are plenty of Civil Servants who are complete co*ks.
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It would be too easy to work through lunch, smile, and give a service. Unfortunately the treasury isn't paying them to
.Where they all go for lunch at the same time, assuming there is more than one, then that is an issue that management should tackle. Unfortunately they might counter that they all want to go to lunch/mess/gym or wherever as a social group.
Yes, uniformed middle management does not have much power except when it comes to a bonus recommendation. Even then it becomes a lottery and the best deserving may be disincentivised by being turned down after a good recommendation.
No, mixing lowly hourly paid workers with daily rate workers is always going to lead to friction laregly caused by not understanding the differences.
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I find it sad that a person working full time within the RAF structure, as this lady is clearly doing, is not eligible for a Family Quarter. Her dependants are also the dependants of a serviceman, which adds to the disappointment. Civilianisation is creeping ahead throughout the Armed Forces and the DHE (DEFENCE HOUSING Executive) policy relating to eligibility should be reviewed.
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From what was said about Council Tax at near the end of the article, it seems as though Council Tax is being deducted from her pay, for the Married Quarters she was in with hubby, despite the fact she has moved out. Definatly need more info to make an informed judgement though.
Although Hubby sounds like a bit of a
though if he isn't making a substatial contribution to his kids' upbringing - even if it might be "off the books" - though this would be madness as maintenance payments are taken from pretax income, and the only benefit of going off books is when the maintenance would take your ex-partner over thresholds for benefit payments.
Although Hubby sounds like a bit of a
though if he isn't making a substatial contribution to his kids' upbringing - even if it might be "off the books" - though this would be madness as maintenance payments are taken from pretax income, and the only benefit of going off books is when the maintenance would take your ex-partner over thresholds for benefit payments.
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What seems clear is that the quarter was in her husband's name. The husband leave - her entitlement ceases.
Hard rules and one where there may be room for some element of compassion, such as when the cessation of entitlement is a result of the husband's death in active service.
If every 'ex-wife of' was able to retain a quarter . . . no don't go there.
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Wader, I am aware that the lady does not carry a F1250. However, she is working within the RAF structure and, as such, is as much a part of the team as you or I.
Lets take the move of HQPTC to High Wycombe as an example. Married service person within HQPTC, owns a house in Gloucester and is then moved to High Wycombe. That service person is eligible to move into an FQ and rent out the house in Gloucester. A civilian person, also married and owns a house in Gloucester, working on next desk, cannot move into an FQ upon the move to High Wycombe. I'm not saying that MOD civvies are disadvantaged when faced with these problems (I'm sure there are allowances and compensation schemes), but I do think that DHE's eligibility policy could be widened to include the growing numbers of civilians in our ranks.
I made the point about the dependants because her family, although split up, is truly a Service family (mum and dad both working in/for the RAF). DHE should move with the times.
Lets take the move of HQPTC to High Wycombe as an example. Married service person within HQPTC, owns a house in Gloucester and is then moved to High Wycombe. That service person is eligible to move into an FQ and rent out the house in Gloucester. A civilian person, also married and owns a house in Gloucester, working on next desk, cannot move into an FQ upon the move to High Wycombe. I'm not saying that MOD civvies are disadvantaged when faced with these problems (I'm sure there are allowances and compensation schemes), but I do think that DHE's eligibility policy could be widened to include the growing numbers of civilians in our ranks.
I made the point about the dependants because her family, although split up, is truly a Service family (mum and dad both working in/for the RAF). DHE should move with the times.
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Underpaid service Personnel
Any Squaddie in Iraq for a start - but he probably can't get onto a computer to tell us! Pay recently calculated at £2 an hour when hours worked are calculated against monthly pay.
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The Civil Service will help people to move house if they are forced to move by the Civil Service. A friend of mine left Valley for Northolt and she was told if she could sell her house and buy a new one then the Civil Service would make up the losses or even buy the house in Valley.
Beats moving into a substandard quarter.
Beats moving into a substandard quarter.
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Most PVR surveys show that pay is not normally a factor for people leaving the services.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
The Civil Service will help people to move house if they are forced to move by the Civil Service. A friend of mine left Valley for Northolt and she was told if she could sell her house and buy a new one then the Civil Service would make up the losses or even buy the house in Valley.
Beats moving into a substandard quarter.
Beats moving into a substandard quarter.
And the service family issue. Sorry. If there is a welfare issue the service has enough difficulty delivering a service to its own personnel and not the entire baggage train. There is SSAFA and RAFA and RAF Benevolent Fund. In this case I think housing was a factor not a potential solution. I think Boris made quite clear she does not want help or handouts she wants a proper wage.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
I think Boris made quite clear she does not want help or handouts she wants a proper wage.
I´d be all in favour of raising tax thresholds to take a lot more of the poor out of the poverty trap whilst reducing various grants and allowances as an incentive to work. Labour works on the opposite premise with the aim of making those at the bottom beholden to them.
