Nimrod Safety - post afghan tragedy
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Does anyone know what is different with the new "equalised" servicing compared to the old style "major". As was illustrated in the MOD Focus newspaper XV230 was the first to go through this new style, reduced servicing. I have heard a rumour from a 3rd party that the BAE guys are not happy with it but they are doing exactly what the contract stated. My source says that it is roughly half of what the old servicing was. So I would be interested to know where the shortcuts are compared to previous days.
Looking at the previous comments, most are made towards the line. I trust these guys 100%. But maybe we should be looking more at the deeper maintenance also.
Looking at the previous comments, most are made towards the line. I trust these guys 100%. But maybe we should be looking more at the deeper maintenance also.
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Hoots, there was also an article in one of the Defence contractor papers in August which had the whole bunch of civvies standing in front of XV230 with big smiles saying how the servicing schedule had changed now and all were happy. The jist of the article was that the same number of hours were spent servicng the a/c but at less frequent times now, resulting in more availability of airframes to the front line. Oh and they would save a wad at the same time.
Correct me if I am wrong but if your car was 30 odd years old, would you service it less or more frequently?
Correct me if I am wrong but if your car was 30 odd years old, would you service it less or more frequently?
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Equalised maintenance is just a different way of applying the maintenance package. The basic idea is that instead of taking a frame off line for several months the work is split into smaller packages, the sum of which is exactly the same as the 2nd /3rd line maintenance it replaces, but releasing the frame back to 1st line for periods in the interim. There is nothing new about the idea, I remember it being a basic trade knowledge issue nearly 30 years ago. It tended to be applied to larger aircraft or those with a civilian background. I believe that the system is used by many civilian operatorsto minimise down time (anyone with actual knowledge please correct me).
If the work package has been reduced however, the style in which it s applied is irrelevant, i.e. if widget a used to be replaced with a bay serviced item at x,ooo hours, it should still be replaced at x,000 hrs.
Perhaps it would be best not to start speculating too wildly, especially using emotive language like 'shortcut'. Lets see what the BoI com up with, then all of us outsiders and armchair experts can vent forth if it doesn't fit in with our ideas.
If the work package has been reduced however, the style in which it s applied is irrelevant, i.e. if widget a used to be replaced with a bay serviced item at x,ooo hours, it should still be replaced at x,000 hrs.
Perhaps it would be best not to start speculating too wildly, especially using emotive language like 'shortcut'. Lets see what the BoI com up with, then all of us outsiders and armchair experts can vent forth if it doesn't fit in with our ideas.
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The thing that concerns me so much over this 'change' to servicing procedures and/or practices is this....
Have the RAF had it so wrong for the last 30 years with Nimrod?
If we have, then fine. But I don't think we have! I am not against change or anything of that nature, but I cannot help but feel that like everything else today, this is driven purely and simply by money.
As number cruncher points out, would you service a 30 year old car more or less? hmmm, let me think for a nano second!
I suspect that, unless things have changed significantly since I was on the fleet, the boys and girls on the ground just don't get 'given' the jet long enough to fix things and clear all the snags - hence why the ADD log (or whatever its called these days) is so long.
I do so hope that this dreadful accident hasn't been caused by some 'bean counter' being able to show their boss that he/she has saved the treasury a few pounds!
Kind regards to all
TSM
Have the RAF had it so wrong for the last 30 years with Nimrod?
If we have, then fine. But I don't think we have! I am not against change or anything of that nature, but I cannot help but feel that like everything else today, this is driven purely and simply by money.
As number cruncher points out, would you service a 30 year old car more or less? hmmm, let me think for a nano second!
I suspect that, unless things have changed significantly since I was on the fleet, the boys and girls on the ground just don't get 'given' the jet long enough to fix things and clear all the snags - hence why the ADD log (or whatever its called these days) is so long.
I do so hope that this dreadful accident hasn't been caused by some 'bean counter' being able to show their boss that he/she has saved the treasury a few pounds!
Kind regards to all
TSM
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"I do so hope that this dreadful accident hasn't been caused by some 'bean counter' being able to show their boss that he/she has saved the treasury a few pounds!"
Well said TSM, I concur.
Gutted.
DS
Well said TSM, I concur.
Gutted.
DS
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My son was on the Nimrod
My son was on the Nimrod that crashed and until the RAF and MoD have finished there investigation I think that any speculation is just that.There has been too much speculation by the press as to how it happened, as professionals I would have thought you would have understood this is not helpful.Please think of the families and end this thread now.Thank You
