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Jimmy,
I did say that it isn't worth getting into a sh!t kicking contest, but
We now have one upper case and two lower case. Doesn't really matter I suppose as long as we know who we are talking about.
I did say that it isn't worth getting into a sh!t kicking contest, but
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For those intellectual pygmies posting here who think otherwise, please note that I have nothing personal against BAC, BAE, BAeS, baES, BaE, baeS or whatever else BWoS calls itself these days.
But I have somewhat old-fashioned views about bribery and corruption - and, in particular, the way Bliar and his cronies tried to stifle earlier investigations.
If BWoS are proved innocent of all the rumours and speculation about back handers to Saudi princelings or whatever, then I shall be among the first to congratulate them.
Tha' knows.....
But I have somewhat old-fashioned views about bribery and corruption - and, in particular, the way Bliar and his cronies tried to stifle earlier investigations.
If BWoS are proved innocent of all the rumours and speculation about back handers to Saudi princelings or whatever, then I shall be among the first to congratulate them.
Tha' knows.....
BEagle you presume to place yourself as an Intellectual giant compared to other poster on this thread, and you must think this with comments like:
this is an amusing thought, particularly from someone who's posts seem to be from the same track of an old record, which displays an inordinate amount of pomposity.
this is a point of view that has yet to be proven and despite the constant 'investigations' which have provided no evidence to prove it in a court of law. I fear your amusing anecdotes in reply to others posts appear to actually show you are as much an intellectual pygmy as you claim we are. 
For those intellectual pygmies posting here
But I have somewhat old-fashioned views about bribery and corruption
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Now, now, chaps or chapesses. No point getting into the abuse mode so early in the thread - why not save it for the inevitable outrageous post that usually follows eventually?
Here's one for starters:
BEagle and the Sunday Times have done a good job reminding us that lots of people think my pension provider is running a dodgy business - will they or the Government take over my pension payments if they drive them out of business? Will they pay generous redundancy to those who lose their jobs? Will they stop selling arms to dodgy countries?
Thought not. So why don't they just shut up!
Here's one for starters:
BEagle and the Sunday Times have done a good job reminding us that lots of people think my pension provider is running a dodgy business - will they or the Government take over my pension payments if they drive them out of business? Will they pay generous redundancy to those who lose their jobs? Will they stop selling arms to dodgy countries?
Thought not. So why don't they just shut up!
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BEagle and the Sunday Times have done a good job reminding us that lots of people think my pension provider is running a dodgy business - will they or the Government take over my pension payments if they drive them out of business? Will they pay generous redundancy to those who lose their jobs?
Can you trust BAE with your pension? Well that's another matter entirely...
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Why shouldn't they play the jobs card? There are thousands of jobs at stake and thousands more in related industries. As far as the pension goes, I haven't much choice about trusting BAE. I've paid into it for many years now.
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Why shouldn't they play the jobs card? There are thousands of jobs at stake and thousands more in related industries. As far as the pension goes, I haven't much choice about trusting BAE. I've paid into it for many years now.
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Acronyms & BAe
Sorry to go back a few entries, but with regard to acronyms, I can honestly say that for the latter period of my time in the early 1990's with British Aerospace, ( I think that bit was fairly taken for granted ) the sub-division acronyms changed so often that we quite literally did not know who we were working for...
We were ' Military Aircraft Division ' for quite a while, until someone realised that spelt MAD !
We were ' Military Aircraft Division ' for quite a while, until someone realised that spelt MAD !
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Originally Posted by soddim
Originally Posted by Jetex Jim
Bummer, well I suppose its too late to get a job with a company with some concept of ethical buisiness practice..
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No, GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU, we're talking about the real world of foreign defence sales.
If you do that sort of business you get involved with 'commisions' and 'arrangement fees'. In this country we call them taxes and consultants fees. Whichever way you look at it is boils down to legalised or irregular theft.
Just because we have 'democracy' it does not mean that we are perfect.
If you do that sort of business you get involved with 'commisions' and 'arrangement fees'. In this country we call them taxes and consultants fees. Whichever way you look at it is boils down to legalised or irregular theft.
Just because we have 'democracy' it does not mean that we are perfect.
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unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people:
I found him arrogant and rude.
Looks like the "bungling baron" has bungled off to oversee his intellectual pygmies.
Back to the debate.
It would typically British to get the Saudis to cancel the Eurofighter deal because of alleged corruption then the French or Americans to step in with no qualms whatsoever. At least we would have "done the right thing". Those that would undoubtedly lose their jobs might disagree but who cares about them eh? They are only funny talking northerners after all.
arrogant
adjective
unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people:
I found him arrogant and rude.
Looks like the "bungling baron" has bungled off to oversee his intellectual pygmies.
Back to the debate.
It would typically British to get the Saudis to cancel the Eurofighter deal because of alleged corruption then the French or Americans to step in with no qualms whatsoever. At least we would have "done the right thing". Those that would undoubtedly lose their jobs might disagree but who cares about them eh? They are only funny talking northerners after all.
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Things have certainly changed at the Daily Express:
Fredrick Forsythe’s column quoted earlier
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/ourcomments/view/9973
It always used to be that it was Johnny foreigner who went down the corruption route, Britain was above all that, now its accepted that we have to be as corrupt as (gosh even) the French to be able to compete on the international stage. Back in the day it was always assumed that our defence industry were actually doing a pretty good job and didn’t need to stoop to corruption. Maybe even Forsythe has worked out what the situation really is.
Come to that I can even recall the days when the Express used to get bent out of shape regarding organisations holding the country to ransom over jobs, of course that was when the trade unions were doing it, seems like its OK when BAE do it.
Gosh how times change. No wonder in his finally statement he says:
And don’t they have any copy checkers at the Express?
Fredrick Forsythe’s column quoted earlier
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/ourcomments/view/9973
It always used to be that it was Johnny foreigner who went down the corruption route, Britain was above all that, now its accepted that we have to be as corrupt as (gosh even) the French to be able to compete on the international stage. Back in the day it was always assumed that our defence industry were actually doing a pretty good job and didn’t need to stoop to corruption. Maybe even Forsythe has worked out what the situation really is.
Come to that I can even recall the days when the Express used to get bent out of shape regarding organisations holding the country to ransom over jobs, of course that was when the trade unions were doing it, seems like its OK when BAE do it.
Gosh how times change. No wonder in his finally statement he says:
Now the £20billion Tornado deal will go through. The craftsmen at Filton and Bristol will keep their jobs. Rare as it is, well done Tony Blair.
And don’t they have any copy checkers at the Express?
Jetex J - well spotted, 007. I suppose it's a mistake anyone could make.
On the subject of another typo/freudian slip, I have just heard that nice Mr Brown (the single-hatted one) refer in Prime Minister's Questions to That Company as "British Aerospace". So that must be right, then.
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PS D'you think they'll call him and put him right?
On the subject of another typo/freudian slip, I have just heard that nice Mr Brown (the single-hatted one) refer in Prime Minister's Questions to That Company as "British Aerospace". So that must be right, then.
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PS D'you think they'll call him and put him right?
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soddim; that's the point I was clumsily trying to make against Jetex Jim's
"Ethical" to our concept of Western standards is not the same in the Middle East, Africa and parts of South East Asia. I quoted Fred Forsythe at the time he wrote his piece (Srl 183) and the salient point was that one man's bribe is another man's commission; even if he doesn't know his Warton from his Filton (or his Tornado from his Typhoon).
The choices are to deal with foreigners strictly by our own standard or deal with them by their standards. If we rigidly abide by option one there will be no deal. I suspect that the Guardian and the fluffy liberals would be rather pleased if there was no deal.
Do we also need to remember that this is a Government to Government deal?
company with some concept of ethical buisiness practice..
The choices are to deal with foreigners strictly by our own standard or deal with them by their standards. If we rigidly abide by option one there will be no deal. I suspect that the Guardian and the fluffy liberals would be rather pleased if there was no deal.
Do we also need to remember that this is a Government to Government deal?