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Labour 'betray' our soldiers
Labour 'betray' our soldiers by cutting their front line allowances.
By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE, Mail on SundayLast updated at 21:09pm on 21st October 2006.
Can anyone confirm that this is true?
Why am I not surprised?
JPA strikes again?
By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE, Mail on SundayLast updated at 21:09pm on 21st October 2006.
But now a change in allowances when troops are separated from their families means those deployed on two six-month tours over two years will have their payments reduced from £6,679 before tax to £4,338, a loss of £2,341.
Insiders insisted it was a 'cock-up, not a conspiracy'
But the newly-named longer separated allowance being introduced by the MoD has resulted in a new bonus system that will reduce payments for the same duties over the same period to £4,338
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The truth, the half truth and nothing like the truth
Ooops, I suspect the Mail on Sunday has caught a sever case of egg-on-face disease.
It is just possible that they have been given wind of some proposed change as part of the coming review of pay and allowances, but I think it's more likely to be this:
Under LSSA, a new recruit has to amass 100 pre-qualifying days, in lots of 10 or more, before receiving LSSA Level 1 from day 101. The current daily rates of LSSA are exactly the same as the previous low, medium and higher bands of the previous LSA. Each bad is 300 qualifying days wide, and LSSA, whilst introducing the pre-qualifying period, has extended the bands to include new higher bands 4 to 14 inclusive.
Let's take new recruit "Soldier A", who has never been away before for more than 10 days. For 2 6-month dets (say 366 days),he will receive LSSA at:
Days 1-100 = £0
Days 101-366 = Level 1 (£6:02 per day)= £1,931.32 (before tax).
Then take Soldier B, who has served longer and already spent 400 days away:
For the next 2 six-month dets he wil get LSSA at:
300 days at Band 2 (£12.18 per day)
66 days at Band 3 (18:34 per day).
Soldier C has already spent 700 days away. For the next 2 dets he gets:
300 days at Band 3 (£18:34 per day)
66 days at Band 4 (£24:50 per day), total over £6,500 before tax.
The difference between Soldier C and Soldier A is over £4,500 before tax, but then he has spent much longer away in long periods since joining.
Even though they may now be serving on the same dets, the principle of LSSA is that it compensates most those who suffer the longest cumulative separation.
I do hope the Editor of the MoS will tell his man to research things a bit more thoroughly.
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Ginseng
It is just possible that they have been given wind of some proposed change as part of the coming review of pay and allowances, but I think it's more likely to be this:
Under LSSA, a new recruit has to amass 100 pre-qualifying days, in lots of 10 or more, before receiving LSSA Level 1 from day 101. The current daily rates of LSSA are exactly the same as the previous low, medium and higher bands of the previous LSA. Each bad is 300 qualifying days wide, and LSSA, whilst introducing the pre-qualifying period, has extended the bands to include new higher bands 4 to 14 inclusive.
Let's take new recruit "Soldier A", who has never been away before for more than 10 days. For 2 6-month dets (say 366 days),he will receive LSSA at:
Days 1-100 = £0
Days 101-366 = Level 1 (£6:02 per day)= £1,931.32 (before tax).
Then take Soldier B, who has served longer and already spent 400 days away:
For the next 2 six-month dets he wil get LSSA at:
300 days at Band 2 (£12.18 per day)
66 days at Band 3 (18:34 per day).
Soldier C has already spent 700 days away. For the next 2 dets he gets:
300 days at Band 3 (£18:34 per day)
66 days at Band 4 (£24:50 per day), total over £6,500 before tax.
The difference between Soldier C and Soldier A is over £4,500 before tax, but then he has spent much longer away in long periods since joining.
Even though they may now be serving on the same dets, the principle of LSSA is that it compensates most those who suffer the longest cumulative separation.
I do hope the Editor of the MoS will tell his man to research things a bit more thoroughly.
Regards
Ginseng
Ginseng
Thanks for that - I was beginning to think that I had missed something whilst I was away on Planet Zarg (well away on exercise, but it may as well have been Zarg) for the past couple of weeks.
But are the amounts you mentioned for the various LSA bands correct? I recently came back from theatre and looking at my pay statements was only getting £9.41 or thereabouts for Level 2 LSA.
Furthermore, there are rumours floating around various elements of a not so top secret helicopter base that you have to do 2months away to qualify for the bonus.... handy for the Treasury if true when a lot of crews have been doing just 55-ish days away. Anybody have any info on what / when the criteria will be published?
Thanks for that - I was beginning to think that I had missed something whilst I was away on Planet Zarg (well away on exercise, but it may as well have been Zarg) for the past couple of weeks.
But are the amounts you mentioned for the various LSA bands correct? I recently came back from theatre and looking at my pay statements was only getting £9.41 or thereabouts for Level 2 LSA.
Furthermore, there are rumours floating around various elements of a not so top secret helicopter base that you have to do 2months away to qualify for the bonus.... handy for the Treasury if true when a lot of crews have been doing just 55-ish days away. Anybody have any info on what / when the criteria will be published?
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You b*****d, you spotted my error!
LSSA Level 1 = £6:02: I got that bit right.
The increase is then £3 plus a bit, per day for each successive band, so:
Band 2 = £9 something
Band 3 = £12 plus 2 lots of something
Band 4 = £15 plus 3 lots of something etc
Band 14 is lots, but you have to accumulate 4,000 days to get there!
It obviously changes my sums a bit, but I still think this is likely to be the real cause of the MoS story.
I'll go and lie down again now!
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Ginseng
LSSA Level 1 = £6:02: I got that bit right.
The increase is then £3 plus a bit, per day for each successive band, so:
Band 2 = £9 something
Band 3 = £12 plus 2 lots of something
Band 4 = £15 plus 3 lots of something etc
Band 14 is lots, but you have to accumulate 4,000 days to get there!
It obviously changes my sums a bit, but I still think this is likely to be the real cause of the MoS story.
I'll go and lie down again now!
Regards
Ginseng
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The correct version
OK, so to recap:
LSSA bands (approx) daily:
1 = 6.02
2 = 9.42
3 = 12.82
4 = 16.22
5 = 19.62
6 = 23.02
Soldier A will receive £1,931.31 before tax.
Soldier B: £5,116.52
Soldier C: £6,134.52
And a new Soldier D, who had 1000 qualifying days before these 2 dets would receive £7,405.31
Or thereabouts
I feel better now!
Regards
Ginseng
LSSA bands (approx) daily:
1 = 6.02
2 = 9.42
3 = 12.82
4 = 16.22
5 = 19.62
6 = 23.02
Soldier A will receive £1,931.31 before tax.
Soldier B: £5,116.52
Soldier C: £6,134.52
And a new Soldier D, who had 1000 qualifying days before these 2 dets would receive £7,405.31
Or thereabouts
I feel better now!
Regards
Ginseng
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Under LSSA, a new recruit has to amass 100 pre-qualifying days, in lots of 10 or more, before receiving LSSA Level 1 from day 101. The current daily rates of LSSA are exactly the same as the previous low, medium and higher bands of the previous LSA. Each bad is 300 qualifying days wide, and LSSA, whilst introducing the pre-qualifying period, has extended the bands to include new higher bands 4 to 14 inclusive.
Of course, I'm just a cynic!!
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Yes, you are a cynic. So, sometimes, am I, but no one takes a knock back on the transfer from LSA to LSSA. If you have already received LSA, then on transfer to LSSA you are given an extra 100 qualifying days, so that there is no risk of your dropping back a band. The band 1, 2 and 3 daily rates of LSSA are, as I said, exactly the same as the previous 3 rates of LSA.
As far as being a story with legs, this one has multiple compound fractures!
Regards
Ginseng
As far as being a story with legs, this one has multiple compound fractures!
Regards
Ginseng
