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Anyone see the very naive letter in yesterday's DT regarding low level ops? (Sorry can't find a link. Found it.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...lit/dt0301.xml) and today's equally naive letter?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...etRule=0#head8
Interestingly Lt Col Retd Brunt lives.....................................right under the flight path to RAF Waddington. One wonders which one was there first Brunt or the airfield?
And all the more galling in the light of this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nafghan104.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...etRule=0#head8
Interestingly Lt Col Retd Brunt lives.....................................right under the flight path to RAF Waddington. One wonders which one was there first Brunt or the airfield?
And all the more galling in the light of this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nafghan104.xml
Last edited by Roland Pulfrew; 4th Oct 2006 at 08:42. Reason: Edited to add another link from today's online Telegraph
Roland,
T'was ever thus!!
I remember a v. senior officer of the Dark Blue variety moving into the locality of RAF Wyton and causing a fuss - so much so that ATC had to exhort all visiting a/c 'not to overfly the village 1 1/2 miles NE of the 27 threshold' - the phone would surely ring if the pilot went anywhere near the place.
BTW I also remember the Low Level Corridors - weren't they abandoned because the populace under them were shouldering a disproportionate 'burden' of low flying when compared with other parts of the country?
One gets the impression that Mr Warren (see DT Letters) et al would be quite prepared to insist on precedence over treating the Paras in Selly Oak in order to get his 'flu jab
Yours disgusted,
FZ
T'was ever thus!!
I remember a v. senior officer of the Dark Blue variety moving into the locality of RAF Wyton and causing a fuss - so much so that ATC had to exhort all visiting a/c 'not to overfly the village 1 1/2 miles NE of the 27 threshold' - the phone would surely ring if the pilot went anywhere near the place.
BTW I also remember the Low Level Corridors - weren't they abandoned because the populace under them were shouldering a disproportionate 'burden' of low flying when compared with other parts of the country?
One gets the impression that Mr Warren (see DT Letters) et al would be quite prepared to insist on precedence over treating the Paras in Selly Oak in order to get his 'flu jab
Yours disgusted,
FZ
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Typical senior pongo green army understanding of air power. Also has a hint of Duncan Sandys and the 1957 Defence White Paper - 'Manned aircraft are now obsolete' - and we all know how wrong and damaging that was. Lucky for us that Lt Col Blunt is Lt Col (Retd) and therefore just another complainer amid a sea of supporters.
His comments are as well thought out as suggesting that infantry is now obsolete and should be taken up and modernised by the RAF and RN.
Bunch of arse, Sir. Stick to the gardening.
His comments are as well thought out as suggesting that infantry is now obsolete and should be taken up and modernised by the RAF and RN.
Bunch of arse, Sir. Stick to the gardening.
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Methinks that the Lt Colon'el has scored an own goal, his letter is obviously an attempt to wind up the RAF but he has only succeeded in showing his complete ignorance and stupidity on the subject.
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I have always thought that all these nimbys should have their passports stamped with the words 'NOT TO FLY ABROAD - SHIP ONLY'.
Also, in the event of an accident, they should not be entitled to be picked up by air ambulances flown by ex-military pilots.
Also, in the event of an accident, they should not be entitled to be picked up by air ambulances flown by ex-military pilots.
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The Colonel was quite right. UAVs were the way to go when we were planning fast manouevre warfare.
UAVs could soften up the battlefield well ahead of the ground units which would then sweep forward at phenomenal speeds, compared with WWII. Unfortunately defensive warfare, or static warfare, last practiced by our cousins, is not like that.
Where the enemy comes to you, and you have danger-close, you have not got the luxury of being able to talk to someone in a warm cosy bunker hundreds or thousands of miles away ensuring that his UAV is looking at your bit of real estate.
The shorter the comms link the better. With the army resorting to direct fire from 105mm guns, I am sure they would prefer a manned aircraft dropping weapons with 100 m of their positions.
UAVs could soften up the battlefield well ahead of the ground units which would then sweep forward at phenomenal speeds, compared with WWII. Unfortunately defensive warfare, or static warfare, last practiced by our cousins, is not like that.
Where the enemy comes to you, and you have danger-close, you have not got the luxury of being able to talk to someone in a warm cosy bunker hundreds or thousands of miles away ensuring that his UAV is looking at your bit of real estate.
The shorter the comms link the better. With the army resorting to direct fire from 105mm guns, I am sure they would prefer a manned aircraft dropping weapons with 100 m of their positions.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Now what was the name of the chap who bought the house tucked into the intersection of Leuchar´s two runways when they were on bolthole back in the ´80s, then started to complain when they started flying again?
The previous owners/estate agent must have seen "mug" on his forehead in big letters. "That big concrete thing over the back fence? Oh just ignore that, nothing ever happens over there"....
The previous owners/estate agent must have seen "mug" on his forehead in big letters. "That big concrete thing over the back fence? Oh just ignore that, nothing ever happens over there"....
high-speed low-level approach procedure when approaching an airfield
Or is he an advocate of the AQ school of flying - take offs and landings not a requirement ?
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Come on, chaps, he's having a joke, and you all fell for it. Nobody could be as out of touch as he professes to be.
Mind you, he's remarkably like a number of Lt Cols I used to know.
Mind you, he's remarkably like a number of Lt Cols I used to know.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
To be fair to him, run-in and breaks may be an efficient means of recovering aircraft, but aren´t always essential. Leuchars seems to manage well enough when they´re restricted to straight in approaches to land during an Open.
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Obviously Lt Col Brunt wasn't around during the battle Of Britain or indeed the years leading up to it. Those very years where the sceptics like him called for reducions on aircraft as they were simply unecessary!
To be blunt Col Brunt what is your field of expertise when it comes to the Typhoon and its Role in todays Modern Armed Forces?
To be blunt Col Brunt what is your field of expertise when it comes to the Typhoon and its Role in todays Modern Armed Forces?
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You have all had a good go at slating the afore mentioned gentleman but not one of you has formed an argument to counter his claims...
Is he right? should we return to the LL corridors of the 70's and 80's ?
Is he right? should we return to the LL corridors of the 70's and 80's ?
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
The Main Route Low Level Corridor was established to replace the 3 Bomber Command low level routes. The route ran from near Dover clockwise round the UK to Wainfleet and Holbeach. It was about 3 miles wide and was essentially formed so that the V-bombers, with relatively poor cockpit visibility, could fly a deconflicted route. The route had a number of entry and exit points and also link routes to allow a short cut across country.
You would book in to an EP and there would then be a 10 minute interval until the next aircraft could book in. Around the route crews would try and track within 1.5 miles of the centreline and maintain timing to +/- 3 minutes. The more heavily used portions were those terminating at a bombplot. Entering in Wales would pass through Jurby for a practice attack or West Freugh for a simulated one. Further north, Gernish, near Benbecula, then Ouston, Lindholme and finally Tumby. The south coast route in to Devon bombplot was less popular.
With the demise of the Vulcan this strict regulation was not needed. For tactical aircraft it was particularly limiting.
To return to the UK LL Motorway would both annoy the people under the corridor and reduce the training value to practically nil.
You would book in to an EP and there would then be a 10 minute interval until the next aircraft could book in. Around the route crews would try and track within 1.5 miles of the centreline and maintain timing to +/- 3 minutes. The more heavily used portions were those terminating at a bombplot. Entering in Wales would pass through Jurby for a practice attack or West Freugh for a simulated one. Further north, Gernish, near Benbecula, then Ouston, Lindholme and finally Tumby. The south coast route in to Devon bombplot was less popular.
With the demise of the Vulcan this strict regulation was not needed. For tactical aircraft it was particularly limiting.
To return to the UK LL Motorway would both annoy the people under the corridor and reduce the training value to practically nil.
Introduction of the pilotless aircraft is not popular in the RAF (it is rumoured that they are already submitting modifications to the contracted designs to enable seats to be fitted and faster mobility)
Since this man is clearly a buffoon - absit iniuria verbis.
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Er... is the author not a certain David Warren, Berkhamsted, Herts?
Who is Col Brunt? Since when is Herts near Waddo? I must be missing something.
Shame we do not have an OS Grid for the author's house though - we always need new target sets.
Who is Col Brunt? Since when is Herts near Waddo? I must be missing something.
Shame we do not have an OS Grid for the author's house though - we always need new target sets.