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Jacko,
I suspect that the "-ur" could be Darf"-ur"... and about time too! Even the Americans agree that there is genocide going on. And politically would be very good if we can be seen to be protecting innocent Muslim civilians from a genocidal "Muslim" government.
S41
I suspect that the "-ur" could be Darf"-ur"... and about time too! Even the Americans agree that there is genocide going on. And politically would be very good if we can be seen to be protecting innocent Muslim civilians from a genocidal "Muslim" government.
S41
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Jacko,
I suspect that the "-ur" could be Darf"-ur"... and about time too! Even the Americans agree that there is genocide going on. And politically would be very good if we can be seen to be protecting innocent Muslim civilians from a genocidal "Muslim" government.
S41
I suspect that the "-ur" could be Darf"-ur"... and about time too! Even the Americans agree that there is genocide going on. And politically would be very good if we can be seen to be protecting innocent Muslim civilians from a genocidal "Muslim" government.
S41
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This is precisely why we should do it - AFAIK one of the few sensible things that GW Bush, Esq. of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, DC has said since 11/9/01 is that the ideological battle between the West and Bin Laden's crew is that we disagree on the form of society.
The (modern liberal) west believes that there are certain universal values underpinning human decency - of which stopping genocide is one.
OTOH, Bin Laden believes that the best human society ever was in the Arabian desert in the 7th Century, and that we should return to that immediately if not sooner, slaughtering all who don't agree.
And protecting those who their co-religionists massacre would be morally right anyway - as was using Hercs to help in the Ethiopian famine, for example - and it's also great in policy terms by reaching out to the moderate Islamic world who see an entirely one-sided US / Western policy on Israel / Palestine and assuming that we're all rabidly anti-Islam.
See you in Dafur!!
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This is precisely why we should do it - AFAIK one of the few sensible things that GW Bush, Esq. of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, DC has said since 11/9/01 is that the ideological battle between the West and Bin Laden's crew is that we disagree on the form of society.
The (modern liberal) west believes that there are certain universal values underpinning human decency - of which stopping genocide is one.
OTOH, Bin Laden believes that the best human society ever was in the Arabian desert in the 7th Century, and that we should return to that immediately if not sooner, slaughtering all who don't agree.
And protecting those who their co-religionists massacre would be morally right anyway - as was using Hercs to help in the Ethiopian famine, for example - and it's also great in policy terms by reaching out to the moderate Islamic world who see an entirely one-sided US / Western policy on Israel / Palestine and assuming that we're all rabidly anti-Islam.
See you in Dafur!!
S41
Comp,
That is the point, it is/was one of the options to replace the ageing Puma and Seaking fleet. With the amount of money that is being banded around, surely now is the time to make the decision for the new long-term ac?
That is the point, it is/was one of the options to replace the ageing Puma and Seaking fleet. With the amount of money that is being banded around, surely now is the time to make the decision for the new long-term ac?
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There may be a fair bit of money sloshing round, but to buy helicopters long-term requires a planned allocation of funds to cover the procurement period, this will be from an emergency pot of cash from under Gordon's bed (or Comd JHC's) to buy something quickly, this is just one finger going into the leaking dyke (cue some worrying banter about a less than PC topic).
The Merlins are in the showroom and ready to drive away, if there were loads of Chinooks (please don't restart yet more 'If we had the Chinook Mk3...'), then we would probably be buying them. The other types are a bit of a non-starter as they are not available and we are adding to a current inventory.
There may be a fair bit of money sloshing round, but to buy helicopters long-term requires a planned allocation of funds to cover the procurement period, this will be from an emergency pot of cash from under Gordon's bed (or Comd JHC's) to buy something quickly, this is just one finger going into the leaking dyke (cue some worrying banter about a less than PC topic).
The Merlins are in the showroom and ready to drive away, if there were loads of Chinooks (please don't restart yet more 'If we had the Chinook Mk3...'), then we would probably be buying them. The other types are a bit of a non-starter as they are not available and we are adding to a current inventory.
Comp,
I don't think they are fresh off the production line........ One previous owner!
The biggest draw back of the current ac is the lack of spares. Seems pretty pointless buying more airframes when there aren't the spares to fix the current ones.
I am sure the Through Life Cost (TLC) of standing up a Super Puma/Cougar 2 fleet would be comparible with the entire EHI01 Fleet. The big difference being the spares support and the total number of airframes; ultimately, this boils down to value for money.
It will be a shame if they arrive and are canibilized for spares, much the same as the Mk3s. But hey
I don't think they are fresh off the production line........ One previous owner!
The biggest draw back of the current ac is the lack of spares. Seems pretty pointless buying more airframes when there aren't the spares to fix the current ones.
I am sure the Through Life Cost (TLC) of standing up a Super Puma/Cougar 2 fleet would be comparible with the entire EHI01 Fleet. The big difference being the spares support and the total number of airframes; ultimately, this boils down to value for money.
It will be a shame if they arrive and are canibilized for spares, much the same as the Mk3s. But hey
It's where they keep the song books, Foldereoler means Publication Shelves, as in A.P.'s.
I hear on a Danish grapevine of Danish pilots getting ops training with the RAF as part of the deal.
You rotten killjoy bug.ger.
You'll be saying that the Skinner til fast is nothing to do with stand up comics, or that the Stige isn't where Stig sits.
Bas.tard.
You'll be saying that the Skinner til fast is nothing to do with stand up comics, or that the Stige isn't where Stig sits.
Bas.tard.
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I wonder why the Danes wanted 6 Merlin? What were they planning to do with them? Maybe this is a blessing in disguise for them....having realised that they had been sold a kipper they quickly off loaded them to some other mug.
The Danes bought 14 Merlin, eight SAR cabs and six tactical transports.
We're getting the tactical transports - but Denmark will then replace them.
This is handy for them, because like the AAC were with the AH-64, the Danes are short of people to fly the cabs at the mo.
The Portugese were also asked for four, and they said no.
The HM.Mk 1 may or may not have been a 'kipper' - but if it was, then surely that's down to a Cold War role and LM's mission system, since most users seem pretty enthusiastic about the cab as a support helicopter.
And has it ever lost a competition?
We're getting the tactical transports - but Denmark will then replace them.
This is handy for them, because like the AAC were with the AH-64, the Danes are short of people to fly the cabs at the mo.
The Portugese were also asked for four, and they said no.
The HM.Mk 1 may or may not have been a 'kipper' - but if it was, then surely that's down to a Cold War role and LM's mission system, since most users seem pretty enthusiastic about the cab as a support helicopter.
And has it ever lost a competition?
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Apart from some internal schematics in Danish - which are mighty humorous! Could someone in the Technical know please lay out some of the fundamental differences between the RAF Mk3 and the Danish version - shouldn't be a state secret should it?
All Danish Merlins have an advanced NVG-compatible EFIS cockpit with six ruggedised flat panel, 6.3-by-6.3-inch active matrix liquid crystal displays (AMLCDs) instead of the cathode ray tube displays in the earlier variants. They also have a nose-mounted FLIR Systems Star SAFIRE II FLIR, a laser obstacle avoidance system and a Telephonics RDR-1600 multi-mode search and weather radar. The radar display can be presented on any of the cockpit IDUs. They are much more comprehensively equipped than the RAF's existing HC.Mk 3s, which look pretty austere by comparison.
I have not found any details of the Danish DASS fit.
I have not found any details of the Danish DASS fit.
Someone will doubtless point out who I've missed, but I believe that the UK, Japanese, Danish, and Portugese aircraft are those with RTMs, and that Italy, Canada, and the planned US version use the GE 'donk'.
The Danish engines are designated RTM 322-02/8 (the same as the RAF engine designation, according to Jane's, so massive doses of salt required) with a T-O rating of 1,670 kW (2,240 shp), but I understand that they may have a different DECU.
However, it appears that engine commonality between RAF/RDAF may be greater than between RAF/RN engines.
The Danish engines are designated RTM 322-02/8 (the same as the RAF engine designation, according to Jane's, so massive doses of salt required) with a T-O rating of 1,670 kW (2,240 shp), but I understand that they may have a different DECU.
However, it appears that engine commonality between RAF/RDAF may be greater than between RAF/RN engines.
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I think you will find the aircraft that are going to be supllied from the Danes are the SAR aircraft already in country . They are going to be flown back and stripped of all Danish equipment and refitted to whatever the RAF ask . All this by May of next year whilst still trying to achive VH-71 contract.The Merlins in Denamark need a lot of change orders done to them whereas the aircraft at Yeovil are pretty well uptogether , the Danes aint silly on this one. Also I think they made a lot of money on this sale back to the UK . Providing the rumours are true 
whilst still trying to achive VH-71 contract.The Merlins in Denamark need a lot of change orders done to them whereas the aircraft at Yeovil are pretty well uptogether , the Danes aint silly on this one. Also I think they made a lot of money on this sale back to the UK . Providing the rumours are true
"They are going to be flown back and stripped of all Danish equipment and refitted to whatever the RAF ask....."
So that'll be Eureka 7 and a 10-channel VHF set then.....
So that'll be Eureka 7 and a 10-channel VHF set then.....
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Well the ones I've seen flying in and out of WHL today and yesterday seemed like the utility ones.
Saw a couple of pilots getting lunch in the canteen, with their cab parked outside.
Any way, I thought the reason we got them was that we'd buy them, as we need SH rather quickly, and the Danes can pay at a later date.
Or is this just a rumour?
Saw a couple of pilots getting lunch in the canteen, with their cab parked outside.
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Any way, I thought the reason we got them was that we'd buy them, as we need SH rather quickly, and the Danes can pay at a later date.
Or is this just a rumour?