Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

F-16 Crash AFB Volkel , The Netherlands

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

F-16 Crash AFB Volkel , The Netherlands

Old 21st Sep 2006, 20:08
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 19
F-16 Crash AFB Volkel , The Netherlands

Today a Dutch F-16 - J-068 - crashed into the ground after a touch & go.
Acc. Dutch site www.sgvolkel.nl a birdhit was the cause.
Both pilots ejected and survived.
Also same pictures are found at the site mentioned above.
MisterBliss is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2006, 20:21
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 1,327
To save people trawling through the forums the pictures are (should!) be on this link

Quite impressive pictures.
Wrathmonk is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2006, 20:48
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 19
Tnx, missed the link there
MisterBliss is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2006, 20:50
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: -
Posts: 503
Bad smell still lingering in the tower I'd expect..

rab-k is offline  
Old 21st Sep 2006, 22:50
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 890
I have great memories of Volkel in F104 days of the 70s - wild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zoom is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 04:27
  #6 (permalink)  
JetBlast member 2005.
JetBlast member 2006.
Banned 2007
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The US of A - sort of
Posts: 323
Hey that looks like one of those things they have in Mexico where they tow you under a parachute behind a boat



Not much left of that bird over on the right side of the photo
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 04:31
  #7 (permalink)  
JetBlast member 2005.
JetBlast member 2006.
Banned 2007
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The US of A - sort of
Posts: 323
and how come they still use rounds? I can see it for a mass combat drop, but for an ejection system, used by aviators, I would have thought using a square would certainly help with the E&E.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 06:23
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: uk(occasionally)
Posts: 130
Both ok apparently - as rab said some nervous twitches in the tower!

On the chutes - squares cant take the large opening forces that may be experienced in some cases. A round chute is definitely better than a shredded square!!
NoseGunner is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 06:52
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Balmullo,Scotland
Posts: 905
Originally Posted by NoseGunner View Post
Both ok apparently - as rab said some nervous twitches in the tower!
On the chutes - squares cant take the large opening forces that may be experienced in some cases. A round chute is definitely better than a shredded square!!
Is that tower still in use? it certainly looks decommisioned to Me, and is that bird debris? if so I would suggest it is a flock rather than a few singles could also be ejection debris.
matkat is online now  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 08:03
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 310
Impressive Pictures, Glad they got out in good time.

Incidentally, the 'Debris' looks to me like: 2x Seats, 1 x Canopy and 2 x 'Top Boxes' which would have contained the Parachutes. Smoke and sparks are probably remnants from the Canopy / Seat Rocket Motors. ACES II seats work in a slightly different, but equally effective way to MB.

Advo
advocatusDIABOLI is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 08:35
  #11 (permalink)  

More than just an ATCO
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Up someone's nose
Age: 70
Posts: 1,768
Report on the Dutch spotter site states birdstrike.
Think it's the lens used that makes it seem so close to the tower - some of the things these spotters use look like ground/air missile launchers
Lon More is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 09:18
  #12 (permalink)  
Hardly Never Not Unwilling
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 481
Looks like two guardian angels standing on bits of debris.
BenThere is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 12:42
  #13 (permalink)  
JetBlast member 2005.
JetBlast member 2006.
Banned 2007
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The US of A - sort of
Posts: 323
Report on the Dutch spotter site states birdstrike.
looks more like an ultralight strike.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 12:52
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: TBC
Posts: 480
The shot with all the pieces of the puzzle in is great. Is the use of round parachutes anything to do with the possibility of the crew being unconscious? I don't really know anything about 'chutes, but wondered if you have to be awake to fly a square canopy?

Ginger
Gingerbread Man is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 13:14
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: firmly on dry land
Age: 76
Posts: 1,538
I would have thought that you would need parachute training to use a square chute. Very few aircrew every jump for fun.

While a square chute and a high abandonment may help you steer away it probably unlikely that you would see the bad guys on the ground early enough anyway. For a last second abandonment you need as much chute as possible and no finesse.

Another consideration may be the chute pack size. Certainly, IIRC, the Army chutes were 28 foot diameter (and greater load of course) compared with the aircrew ones at 24 feet. That works out with a difference in size of about 10%.
Wader2 is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 13:44
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Lon UK
Posts: 276
Perceptible only on impact and height of bounce
Brat is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 15:47
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: england- up north (where it's grim)
Posts: 189
spectacular photos

i love one of the quotes, isn't it great to see how some phrases dont translate but are adopted internationally lol

"Het was een close call, maar gelukkig geen slachtoffers..... "

nice to see 2 chutes, and a lump of metal just sat there all sedated and not in a "inches from disaster : fireball close to a school " as is often quoted by sensational meeja types.

TFC
the_flying_cop is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 20:16
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 137
more photo's here

HAS shelter took the hit in stride, 3 guys in there working on other bird all ok

http://www.dynamictruth.com/cgi-bin/...1;t=005293;p=0
Sensible Garage is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 20:27
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Waleshire
Age: 55
Posts: 209
Originally Posted by Sensible Garage View Post
HAS shelter took the hit in stride, 3 guys in there working on other bird all ok

http://www.dynamictruth.com/cgi-bin/...1;t=005293;p=0
Crikey, who'd have thought it. Some bits of it look almost salvageable!
QFIhawkman is offline  
Old 22nd Sep 2006, 21:00
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Some-r-set
Posts: 163
Wow, those pictures before look amazing.

Agreed over the HAS!
High_lander is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.