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MisterBliss 21st Sep 2006 19:08

F-16 Crash AFB Volkel , The Netherlands
 
Today a Dutch F-16 - J-068 - crashed into the ground after a touch & go.
Acc. Dutch site www.sgvolkel.nl a birdhit was the cause.
Both pilots ejected and survived.
Also same pictures are found at the site mentioned above.

Wrathmonk 21st Sep 2006 19:21

To save people trawling through the forums the pictures are (should!) be on this link

Quite impressive pictures.

MisterBliss 21st Sep 2006 19:48

Tnx, missed the link there :ok:

rab-k 21st Sep 2006 19:50

Bad smell still lingering in the tower I'd expect..

http://www.milspotters.nl/J-068crash2.jpg

Zoom 21st Sep 2006 21:50

I have great memories of Volkel in F104 days of the 70s - wild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ok:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 22nd Sep 2006 03:27

Hey that looks like one of those things they have in Mexico where they tow you under a parachute behind a boat

http://www.milspotters.nl/J-068crash.jpg

Not much left of that bird over on the right side of the photo :(

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 22nd Sep 2006 03:31

and how come they still use rounds? I can see it for a mass combat drop, but for an ejection system, used by aviators, I would have thought using a square would certainly help with the E&E.

NoseGunner 22nd Sep 2006 05:23

Both ok apparently - as rab said some nervous twitches in the tower!

On the chutes - squares cant take the large opening forces that may be experienced in some cases. A round chute is definitely better than a shredded square!!

matkat 22nd Sep 2006 05:52


Originally Posted by NoseGunner (Post 2865942)
Both ok apparently - as rab said some nervous twitches in the tower!
On the chutes - squares cant take the large opening forces that may be experienced in some cases. A round chute is definitely better than a shredded square!!

Is that tower still in use? it certainly looks decommisioned to Me, and is that bird debris? if so I would suggest it is a flock rather than a few singles could also be ejection debris.

advocatusDIABOLI 22nd Sep 2006 07:03

Impressive Pictures, Glad they got out in good time.

Incidentally, the 'Debris' looks to me like: 2x Seats, 1 x Canopy and 2 x 'Top Boxes' which would have contained the Parachutes. Smoke and sparks are probably remnants from the Canopy / Seat Rocket Motors. ACES II seats work in a slightly different, but equally effective way to MB.

Advo

Lon More 22nd Sep 2006 07:35

Report on the Dutch spotter site states birdstrike.
Think it's the lens used that makes it seem so close to the tower - some of the things these spotters use look like ground/air missile launchers

BenThere 22nd Sep 2006 08:18

Looks like two guardian angels standing on bits of debris.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 22nd Sep 2006 11:42


Report on the Dutch spotter site states birdstrike.
looks more like an ultralight strike.

Gingerbread Man 22nd Sep 2006 11:52

The shot with all the pieces of the puzzle in is great. Is the use of round parachutes anything to do with the possibility of the crew being unconscious? I don't really know anything about 'chutes, but wondered if you have to be awake to fly a square canopy?

Ginger ;)

Wader2 22nd Sep 2006 12:14

I would have thought that you would need parachute training to use a square chute. Very few aircrew every jump for fun.

While a square chute and a high abandonment may help you steer away it probably unlikely that you would see the bad guys on the ground early enough anyway. For a last second abandonment you need as much chute as possible and no finesse.

Another consideration may be the chute pack size. Certainly, IIRC, the Army chutes were 28 foot diameter (and greater load of course) compared with the aircrew ones at 24 feet. That works out with a difference in size of about 10%.

Brat 22nd Sep 2006 12:44

Perceptible only on impact and height of bounce

the_flying_cop 22nd Sep 2006 14:47

spectacular photos

i love one of the quotes, isn't it great to see how some phrases dont translate but are adopted internationally lol

"Het was een close call, maar gelukkig geen slachtoffers..... "

nice to see 2 chutes, and a lump of metal just sat there all sedated and not in a "inches from disaster : fireball close to a school " as is often quoted by sensational meeja types.

TFC

Sensible Garage 22nd Sep 2006 19:16

more photo's here
 
HAS shelter took the hit in stride, 3 guys in there working on other bird all ok

http://www.dynamictruth.com/cgi-bin/...1;t=005293;p=0

QFIhawkman 22nd Sep 2006 19:27


Originally Posted by Sensible Garage (Post 2867158)
HAS shelter took the hit in stride, 3 guys in there working on other bird all ok

http://www.dynamictruth.com/cgi-bin/...1;t=005293;p=0

Crikey, who'd have thought it. Some bits of it look almost salvageable!

High_lander 22nd Sep 2006 20:00

Wow, those pictures before look amazing.

Agreed over the HAS!


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