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My post to you was to let you know you are wrong about the size of USMC training events. This from a former US Marine who participated in many. I just reread my post to you. Don't see anywhere any indications you are or were smoking anything legal or illegal. You are simply guilty of believing and/or passing along incorrect information. Then making a case based on that bogus information.
While I suspect you are simply relying on someone else's hearsay, if you have information (read factual) that supports what you posted, I would be happy to see it.
My post to you was to let you know you are wrong about the size of USMC training events. This from a former US Marine who participated in many. I just reread my post to you. Don't see anywhere any indications you are or were smoking anything legal or illegal. You are simply guilty of believing and/or passing along incorrect information. Then making a case based on that bogus information.
While I suspect you are simply relying on someone else's hearsay, if you have information (read factual) that supports what you posted, I would be happy to see it.
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My post to you was to let you know you are wrong about the size of USMC training events. This from a former US Marine who participated in many. I just reread my post to you. Don't see anywhere any indications you are or were smoking anything legal or illegal. You are simply guilty of believing and/or passing along incorrect information. Then making a case based on that bogus information.
While I suspect you are simply relying on someone else's hearsay, if you have information (read factual) that supports what you posted, I would be happy to see it.
My post to you was to let you know you are wrong about the size of USMC training events. This from a former US Marine who participated in many. I just reread my post to you. Don't see anywhere any indications you are or were smoking anything legal or illegal. You are simply guilty of believing and/or passing along incorrect information. Then making a case based on that bogus information.
While I suspect you are simply relying on someone else's hearsay, if you have information (read factual) that supports what you posted, I would be happy to see it.
Sorry Westy, didnt have my dictafone available on the ranges in Puerto Rico. Shame really as it seems that that is the only thing that would shut you up. I tend to talk to people , Sgt's, Cpl's Mnes etc and if they seem to be honest and not bulling then I don't tend to call them liars. That is how our conversation went over that week, don't believe me if you want I don't give a sh*t. I never witnessed any evidence that your people did much in the way of quality large scale live firing excersises, but as I said earlier, maybe thats why your country starts wars.....for training, and to see how the latest weapons systems perform.
Perhaps it is time for the various air forces to provide CAS to their own troops thus preventing these kinds of problems.....or add to the poor grunt's load by issuing orange/purple signalling panels or high vis vests to each guy along with infrared strobes for each guy. I am sure the HSE Mafia can come up with some sort of fail safe system....or is this just one of the things that happens during close contact combat as regrettable as it is.
"Sorry Westy, didnt have my dictafone available on the ranges in Puerto Rico"
You seem to remember what you wanted however despite not having one. Perhaps a laptop computer with Internet capability might help. You need not bring your dictafone with you on your travels, simply verify the information you obviously remembered prior to passing it on. The information is available that clearly shows you in error. Whether that error was because you believed what someone told you or is because you wanted it to be true is irrelevant. Again, I ask do you have any information to prove your claim or are you simply a wind up? Its your credibility at stake for reposting second hand information from someone else, so if there is some information out there that can back your claim post it. Second time I've asked. Have a feeling you can't however back the claim up.
"I never witnessed any evidence that your people did much in the way of quality large scale live firing excersises"
That is just that, you never witnessed it. Do a little research. The information is available to you. That's if you avail yourself to try.
BTW, what branch of the military are or were you in?
You seem to remember what you wanted however despite not having one. Perhaps a laptop computer with Internet capability might help. You need not bring your dictafone with you on your travels, simply verify the information you obviously remembered prior to passing it on. The information is available that clearly shows you in error. Whether that error was because you believed what someone told you or is because you wanted it to be true is irrelevant. Again, I ask do you have any information to prove your claim or are you simply a wind up? Its your credibility at stake for reposting second hand information from someone else, so if there is some information out there that can back your claim post it. Second time I've asked. Have a feeling you can't however back the claim up.
"I never witnessed any evidence that your people did much in the way of quality large scale live firing excersises"
That is just that, you never witnessed it. Do a little research. The information is available to you. That's if you avail yourself to try.
BTW, what branch of the military are or were you in?
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SASLess, in an ideal world.
Unfortunately no one has all the possible assests that enable totally independent operations. That includes the USA. I won't catalogue them but I know several.
In essence we are all tied in to joint cooperations. The Navies perhaps do it best and air is learning fast. I can't speak of the ground.
Many smaller allies just do not have CAS assets. Others have CAS buy do not provide the ground. International is the only way we can get (cross out everything) much of what we need.
Unfortunately no one has all the possible assests that enable totally independent operations. That includes the USA. I won't catalogue them but I know several.
In essence we are all tied in to joint cooperations. The Navies perhaps do it best and air is learning fast. I can't speak of the ground.
Many smaller allies just do not have CAS assets. Others have CAS buy do not provide the ground. International is the only way we can get (cross out everything) much of what we need.
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SASless, rather than demerging into multiple and wasteful all-arms detachments, perhaps merging OEF fully into ISAF. If the US doesn't want this they should move their forces to Iraq, where they are needed, and allow coalition forces in Iraq to join and expand ISAF ops. But then that would mean giving up the pursuit of Bin Liner...
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Every incident such as that which brought about this thread is extremely sad, and regrettable.
Having said that, this thread as ever seems to have turned into a slagging match of the US.
As a member of the British Military, albeit not British myself (nor American), I have to say, it gets really boring listening to it, whether it be in the bar, or on the jet. I have never in my travels, heard Americans slagging off the British in the same manner, or with the same frequency; usually quite the opposite. Let's not delude ourselves there is nothing they can slag off about the British Forces!!!
To those out there with level headded posts, kudos to you. To those out there to jump on the American-slagging-bandwaggon in what appears to be an odd British quirk, it's embarrassing.
As for the incident, I have no idea what happened, but I guess time will tell.
Having said that, this thread as ever seems to have turned into a slagging match of the US.
As a member of the British Military, albeit not British myself (nor American), I have to say, it gets really boring listening to it, whether it be in the bar, or on the jet. I have never in my travels, heard Americans slagging off the British in the same manner, or with the same frequency; usually quite the opposite. Let's not delude ourselves there is nothing they can slag off about the British Forces!!!
To those out there with level headded posts, kudos to you. To those out there to jump on the American-slagging-bandwaggon in what appears to be an odd British quirk, it's embarrassing.
As for the incident, I have no idea what happened, but I guess time will tell.
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Flybond...
The answer is in your post... The Americans don't slag us Brits off because we don't continually make the grave errors of judgement, resulting in the death of friendlies, that the 'good ol US of A guys do!'
Simple as that! Endex!
The answer is in your post... The Americans don't slag us Brits off because we don't continually make the grave errors of judgement, resulting in the death of friendlies, that the 'good ol US of A guys do!'
Simple as that! Endex!
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Actually they don't slag us off because we barely impinge on their consciousness.
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Every incident such as that which brought about this thread is extremely sad, and regrettable.
Having said that, this thread as ever seems to have turned into a slagging match of the US.
As a member of the British Military, albeit not British myself (nor American), I have to say, it gets really boring listening to it, whether it be in the bar, or on the jet. I have never in my travels, heard Americans slagging off the British in the same manner, or with the same frequency; usually quite the opposite. Let's not delude ourselves there is nothing they can slag off about the British Forces!!!
To those out there with level headded posts, kudos to you. To those out there to jump on the American-slagging-bandwaggon in what appears to be an odd British quirk, it's embarrassing.
As for the incident, I have no idea what happened, but I guess time will tell.
Having said that, this thread as ever seems to have turned into a slagging match of the US.
As a member of the British Military, albeit not British myself (nor American), I have to say, it gets really boring listening to it, whether it be in the bar, or on the jet. I have never in my travels, heard Americans slagging off the British in the same manner, or with the same frequency; usually quite the opposite. Let's not delude ourselves there is nothing they can slag off about the British Forces!!!
To those out there with level headded posts, kudos to you. To those out there to jump on the American-slagging-bandwaggon in what appears to be an odd British quirk, it's embarrassing.
As for the incident, I have no idea what happened, but I guess time will tell.
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Champagne,
banter is all very well & I'm more than guilty of putting in my share however, and it's a BIG however, the bottom line is simple:
You will NEVER (in our lifetime) see British forces go into a large scale conflict without US involvement. We're not capable of going into the larger fights alone & never will be with the budget being as it is!
I would no have relished the thought of heading into Iraq during GWII without some decent SEAD & the USAF were the main providers. They did a good job & did it professionaly, as did our ALARMers.
We might not always appreciate the way they do business however, I know for a fact they look at us as nutters when we're screaming around at camel height.
Each to their own.
banter is all very well & I'm more than guilty of putting in my share however, and it's a BIG however, the bottom line is simple:
You will NEVER (in our lifetime) see British forces go into a large scale conflict without US involvement. We're not capable of going into the larger fights alone & never will be with the budget being as it is!
I would no have relished the thought of heading into Iraq during GWII without some decent SEAD & the USAF were the main providers. They did a good job & did it professionaly, as did our ALARMers.
We might not always appreciate the way they do business however, I know for a fact they look at us as nutters when we're screaming around at camel height.
Each to their own.
