Desert Storm Wild Weasel tales?
Hi,
Can't resist stoking the fires here.
It's a situation where both USAF and RAF aircraft taxiing towards runway. All the USAF aircraft have amusingly ego-obsessive things painted under the crew's names - "Turbo", "Nitro", "Boy, am I ever compensating with this jet plane." So I'm shooting (video, not bullets) as they're taxiing past, and all the USAF guys, Ray Ban Aviators akimbo, looking like Judge Dredd with the sun visor down, doing Sylvester Stallone impressions, are giving the camera the thumbs-up, firing off snappy salutes, etc.
Tornado trundles past. Immediately, both crew begin mugging like schoolkids and shouting "Hello, mum!".
I'm not sure which I prefer really, but I know which shot the producer preferred
Phil
Can't resist stoking the fires here.
It's a situation where both USAF and RAF aircraft taxiing towards runway. All the USAF aircraft have amusingly ego-obsessive things painted under the crew's names - "Turbo", "Nitro", "Boy, am I ever compensating with this jet plane." So I'm shooting (video, not bullets) as they're taxiing past, and all the USAF guys, Ray Ban Aviators akimbo, looking like Judge Dredd with the sun visor down, doing Sylvester Stallone impressions, are giving the camera the thumbs-up, firing off snappy salutes, etc.
Tornado trundles past. Immediately, both crew begin mugging like schoolkids and shouting "Hello, mum!".
I'm not sure which I prefer really, but I know which shot the producer preferred
Phil
Cruces,
The USAF has no monopoly for own side goals.....your side does it as well. When masses of troops and aircraft get involved in a slanging match with a herd of bad guys....things get confused sometimes. Tragic as it is....that is the nature of warfare. Check out the advances the US Military has made in trying to minimize those kinds of incidents.
Does it not strike you as being a bit over the top for the very first comment in the thread is one that talks ill of someone? I have had RAF FJ's do the same to me more than a few times while trundling off to an oil rig or hauling MOD folks on the Rassay Sound Sub range. I never filed a complaint on any of them and took it in good humour although I thought it a bit annoying after about the fifth time.
There probably is not a FJ pilot around that has not done something similar in their flying career.....used to be that was part of the normal make-up of a FJ pilot I thought.
Thinking of things past....I guess Discipline at all costs is better than some idle Polish Chit Chat.
If that were the case then the Tankers would never violate the rules and fly into the outbound guys running short of fuel.
So which would you have....Blind Discipline or pilots that use their noggins for more than a hat rack? I always thought we were in this together....no matter the aircraft, service, or nationality.
As to your being offended....get over it....the only one that is getting stressed is you.
The USAF has no monopoly for own side goals.....your side does it as well. When masses of troops and aircraft get involved in a slanging match with a herd of bad guys....things get confused sometimes. Tragic as it is....that is the nature of warfare. Check out the advances the US Military has made in trying to minimize those kinds of incidents.
Does it not strike you as being a bit over the top for the very first comment in the thread is one that talks ill of someone? I have had RAF FJ's do the same to me more than a few times while trundling off to an oil rig or hauling MOD folks on the Rassay Sound Sub range. I never filed a complaint on any of them and took it in good humour although I thought it a bit annoying after about the fifth time.
There probably is not a FJ pilot around that has not done something similar in their flying career.....used to be that was part of the normal make-up of a FJ pilot I thought.
Thinking of things past....I guess Discipline at all costs is better than some idle Polish Chit Chat.
If that were the case then the Tankers would never violate the rules and fly into the outbound guys running short of fuel.
So which would you have....Blind Discipline or pilots that use their noggins for more than a hat rack? I always thought we were in this together....no matter the aircraft, service, or nationality.
As to your being offended....get over it....the only one that is getting stressed is you.
Brick, do you know Tony Thornborough? If you do, ask him as I am pretty sure he knows a few ODS Weasel guys. If you don't then let me know via PM and I'll send you his email.
Phil R
How did you know they were wearing Raybans if they had their visors down? As for 'ego obsessive' callsigns, give me a break. The majority of Yank flyers get callsigns that take the piss out of stupid things they've done, or unfortunate physical characteristics. The guys that get callsigns that do stoke egos do so because they are generally believed to be exceptionally talented - they are very few and far between. You 'don't know which you prefer'? Odd that, because you sound like you know exactly which one you do.
Phil R
How did you know they were wearing Raybans if they had their visors down? As for 'ego obsessive' callsigns, give me a break. The majority of Yank flyers get callsigns that take the piss out of stupid things they've done, or unfortunate physical characteristics. The guys that get callsigns that do stoke egos do so because they are generally believed to be exceptionally talented - they are very few and far between. You 'don't know which you prefer'? Odd that, because you sound like you know exactly which one you do.
Hi,
Can't resist stoking the fires here.
It's a situation where both USAF and RAF aircraft taxiing towards runway. All the USAF aircraft have amusingly ego-obsessive things painted under the crew's names - "Turbo", "Nitro", "Boy, am I ever compensating with this jet plane." So I'm shooting (video, not bullets) as they're taxiing past, and all the USAF guys, Ray Ban Aviators akimbo, looking like Judge Dredd with the sun visor down, doing Sylvester Stallone impressions, are giving the camera the thumbs-up, firing off snappy salutes, etc.
Tornado trundles past. Immediately, both crew begin mugging like schoolkids and shouting "Hello, mum!".
I'm not sure which I prefer really, but I know which shot the producer preferred
Phil
Can't resist stoking the fires here.
It's a situation where both USAF and RAF aircraft taxiing towards runway. All the USAF aircraft have amusingly ego-obsessive things painted under the crew's names - "Turbo", "Nitro", "Boy, am I ever compensating with this jet plane." So I'm shooting (video, not bullets) as they're taxiing past, and all the USAF guys, Ray Ban Aviators akimbo, looking like Judge Dredd with the sun visor down, doing Sylvester Stallone impressions, are giving the camera the thumbs-up, firing off snappy salutes, etc.
Tornado trundles past. Immediately, both crew begin mugging like schoolkids and shouting "Hello, mum!".
I'm not sure which I prefer really, but I know which shot the producer preferred
Phil
TJ,
This the one that cooked the engine and jumped the chocks upon shutdown? Then sat out the show as a Static Display?
This the one that cooked the engine and jumped the chocks upon shutdown? Then sat out the show as a Static Display?
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He well have done that however,
at least he found the correct airfield hosting the airshow, unlike a certain B2 'state of the art' bomber that er missed a rather large UK airshow last year...
at least he found the correct airfield hosting the airshow, unlike a certain B2 'state of the art' bomber that er missed a rather large UK airshow last year...
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It came as a surprise though to a few at the Blackbushe car auction house I'm lead to believe.
SASless,
Your reply to my post sounds more like the attitude one should expect from a professional aviator.
The first one made me wish not to be within a thousand miles of you if you are toting weapons.
Blind discipline is not too good I agree, but the kind of discipline that makes "hotshots" haul off a tanker and make one below take violent avoiding action and overstress the airframe is beyond understanding, and your seeming to condone such action made me see red.
If I got your post the wrong way I apologise, if I didn't I stand by my assessment.
Doc C
Your reply to my post sounds more like the attitude one should expect from a professional aviator.
The first one made me wish not to be within a thousand miles of you if you are toting weapons.
Blind discipline is not too good I agree, but the kind of discipline that makes "hotshots" haul off a tanker and make one below take violent avoiding action and overstress the airframe is beyond understanding, and your seeming to condone such action made me see red.
If I got your post the wrong way I apologise, if I didn't I stand by my assessment.
Doc C
Tombstone, it was actually a 50-year-old B-52, and it was a couple of years back. Still pretty embarrassing, though.
Followed very quickly by a Brit FJ crew doing the same. Funny all the idiot Brit posters that lambasted the buff crew were no where to be found after the FJ cock up hit the presses.
But an idiot Spam was.... Hoo-ahhh, sir YES SIR!
It was but a mere matter of banter and pi$$-taking, something which certain folk have difficulty in comprehending.
Incident 1 was one of Uncle Spam's finest bomber crews, chosen to display the mighty Stratofortress in front of the crowd at one of the world's most important airshows. In an aircraft containing almost as many navigators and 'you-are-here' meters than engines. Doing their everyday job. But, oops, they got the wrong aerodrome and gave a super display to an afternoon outdoor market, who couldn't believe their luck!
Incident 2 was an Air Defence FJ crew (who probably hadn't done anything as demeaning as air-to-mud for years) tasked to do a flypast at some little village fete. Given vague guidance, no targeting radar or anything else, they screwed up and got the wrong village. Pretty amateur show - anyone in a light aeroplane could have done better. Assuming, that is, that the correct coordinates had been given in the first place.
It was but a mere matter of banter and pi$$-taking, something which certain folk have difficulty in comprehending.
Incident 1 was one of Uncle Spam's finest bomber crews, chosen to display the mighty Stratofortress in front of the crowd at one of the world's most important airshows. In an aircraft containing almost as many navigators and 'you-are-here' meters than engines. Doing their everyday job. But, oops, they got the wrong aerodrome and gave a super display to an afternoon outdoor market, who couldn't believe their luck!
Incident 2 was an Air Defence FJ crew (who probably hadn't done anything as demeaning as air-to-mud for years) tasked to do a flypast at some little village fete. Given vague guidance, no targeting radar or anything else, they screwed up and got the wrong village. Pretty amateur show - anyone in a light aeroplane could have done better. Assuming, that is, that the correct coordinates had been given in the first place.
Beags
I think that your first post has entirely wrecked this thread - valid as it may have been. What a shame you couldn't have simply PM'd it.
Given all the good that the F-4Gs did in ODS, instead of stories that now give them the credit they no doubt deserve, we now have a pissing contest between people who have absolutely nothing to say about the Weasels and Septics that are (quite rightly, IMO) taking offence. Most of this thread amounts to little more than Yank-bashing. How pathetic.
I think that your first post has entirely wrecked this thread - valid as it may have been. What a shame you couldn't have simply PM'd it.
Given all the good that the F-4Gs did in ODS, instead of stories that now give them the credit they no doubt deserve, we now have a pissing contest between people who have absolutely nothing to say about the Weasels and Septics that are (quite rightly, IMO) taking offence. Most of this thread amounts to little more than Yank-bashing. How pathetic.
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Thought that's what post #11 was..........
Edited to add: wingman to six SA-2s in 70 second story in post #11: the flight was at about 23,000 when they saw a glow from the undercast that was at about 2,000AGL. Two bright orange balls came through and then became fixed on the canopy. No movement relative to the canopy was bad, meant the SAMs were guiding on you and getting closer.
Our hero, rolls inverted, pulls, hits the 'burners while pumping chaff and screaming for the EWO to fire up the -184 ECM pod. Levels out at 10,000 after seeing the SAMs detonate overhead. Sees a weird blue light outside, can't figure it out, realizes that every AAA gunner in Iraq is blazing away. Clue light comes on, takes the F-4 out of AB........
Played cat and mouse with the SA-2 site for the next 1/2 hour. On an in-bound course, the AN/APR-47 (primary radar sniffer, took the place/space of the gun!) goes 'dotted,' meaning the radar is shut off but 'here's the last line of bearing' to the site. Turning tail and the radar goes solid line. No HARM shot taken, but no BUFFS targeted either. Crew flew three sorties that night.
Edited to add: wingman to six SA-2s in 70 second story in post #11: the flight was at about 23,000 when they saw a glow from the undercast that was at about 2,000AGL. Two bright orange balls came through and then became fixed on the canopy. No movement relative to the canopy was bad, meant the SAMs were guiding on you and getting closer.
Our hero, rolls inverted, pulls, hits the 'burners while pumping chaff and screaming for the EWO to fire up the -184 ECM pod. Levels out at 10,000 after seeing the SAMs detonate overhead. Sees a weird blue light outside, can't figure it out, realizes that every AAA gunner in Iraq is blazing away. Clue light comes on, takes the F-4 out of AB........
Played cat and mouse with the SA-2 site for the next 1/2 hour. On an in-bound course, the AN/APR-47 (primary radar sniffer, took the place/space of the gun!) goes 'dotted,' meaning the radar is shut off but 'here's the last line of bearing' to the site. Turning tail and the radar goes solid line. No HARM shot taken, but no BUFFS targeted either. Crew flew three sorties that night.
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That's BEagle's whole purpose in life - Yank-bashing. It doesn't matter what the subject is, he will find a way. If the Queen farts, it was probably a Yank cook who fed her beans....
Beagle
"But an idiot Spam was.... Hoo-ahhh, sir YES SIR!"
I do remember you being one of those who didn't want to comment on the FJ cockup. Were you drinking alone in a dark room.....again... sticking pins in dolls of the FJ crew for doing the same thing as the Yanks?
Yes, the buff crew screwed the pooch. Funny though you attempt to water down the same lapse in BASIC airmenship and navigational skills by the Brit FJ crew. Its ok however, used to the double standard that applies here.
Did you hear about the light house?
HAL pilot
Absolutely correct. I think a low ranking airmen must have run over his dog, stole his girl or something like that. My bet is a female 2nd lt splashed him 1v1and then sent the HUD tape his squadron
BTW beag's "Hoo-ahhh" is for the US Army. Ooohrah is how we say it. Not sure how your attention to detail is these days, but there you have it.
"But an idiot Spam was.... Hoo-ahhh, sir YES SIR!"
I do remember you being one of those who didn't want to comment on the FJ cockup. Were you drinking alone in a dark room.....again... sticking pins in dolls of the FJ crew for doing the same thing as the Yanks?
Yes, the buff crew screwed the pooch. Funny though you attempt to water down the same lapse in BASIC airmenship and navigational skills by the Brit FJ crew. Its ok however, used to the double standard that applies here.
Did you hear about the light house?
HAL pilot
Absolutely correct. I think a low ranking airmen must have run over his dog, stole his girl or something like that. My bet is a female 2nd lt splashed him 1v1and then sent the HUD tape his squadron
BTW beag's "Hoo-ahhh" is for the US Army. Ooohrah is how we say it. Not sure how your attention to detail is these days, but there you have it.
brick - if the AN/APR-47 didn't detect those SA-2s, how were they guiding? Presumably not optically, due to the undercast, so were the Iraqis using third party targetting?