Hollywood in Dambusters Remake!

[Matt Skrossa]

According to the following link, Gibson's black dog will be called Trigger!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...337881,00.html
Presumably then Wg Cdr Guy Gibson RAF will become Lt Col Roy Rogers USAAF?
Or as they say in Harlem 'Yooo Trigga'

[Polikarpov]

Not sure if that's tounge in cheek or not.

If not I shall be penning a swift letter to Jackson's production company.

[Training Risky]

From the link above:

THE ORIGINAL (1954)

Budget £5 million
Box office 8.4m tickets
Special effects Models by Army photographic reconnaissance unit. Bouncing bombs from archive test shots painted over frame-by-frame
Music Eric Coates’s march
Name of Guy Gibson’s dog Nigger

THE REMAKE (2007)
Budget £21 million
Box office £50 million predicted with DVD sales
Special effects Bombs from King Kong animator
Music Coates plus Oscar-winner Howard Shore
Name of dog Trigger

I don't care for the liberal wishy-washy argument, so totally lacking in LMF, over Nigger.

You can't change history - fact.

There was a total, all-out war = WWII

Desperate measures had to be taken = mass civilian casualties

Among most of the participants, there were no racially-sensitive, gender-fair, differently-abled positive policies = people were (wrongly) called niggers, cripples and there was a separate WRAF, WRAC and WRNS.

To all those who don't approve.... "MAN UP, N*GGER!"

My point is, you can't remove items of historical fact from the Dambusters: mass civilian casualties, high friendly losses, a totalitarian enemy fixated on dominating Europe (no change there then) and a lack of refined, PC language.

It's the thin end of the wedge.

[Skunkerama]

Simple.
Call the dog Trigger and then have a directors cut screening with the scene reshot and the dog called Nigga.

The big holywood screenings for PC idiots can have the false history. The rest of us can have the real deal.

For gods sake it looks the same when spoken so it is only dubbing.

Don't let this silly nameing issue ruin what could be the most important aviation film in the last 30 years.

It will be a terrific recruiting tool for the RAF. Now how about a remake of The Cockleshell Hero's for us. Or even better a true and very graphic film about the Dieppe landings, bet that would be a shocking film.

[Matt Skrossa]

Can anyone corroborate the rumour going round at the time (circa 1982)when 617 re-equipped from Vulcan to Tornado and they used 'Nigger' as a formation callsign. Just after reforming they took a 9 ship formation around the UK to let them know the 'Dambusters' were back.

All went well until they checked in to flypast RAF Alconbury (USAF F1-11 base at the time).
'Nigger Check, Nigger 2, Nigger 3 etc etc up to Nigger 9' All was silent on Alconbury's approach frequency, so Nigger Lead rechecked the frequency and called again, this time the USAF Controller said 'I ain't talking to you' and refused them any form of service! True or Not????????

[Wader2]

I hope Mr Jackson gets in contact with Fred and Harold Panton whose 'Just Jane' , ex-Scampton, is serviceable and in taxy condition. They also have a large assortment of kit, including Gibson Girl and Nav Kit in their hangar.

[alex_holbrook]

Originally Posted by brickhistory

So almost everyone on this thread so far has been anti-Hollywood if not anti-American, so that's different how than Mel's apparent dislikes?

I don't think anyone on here is anti-American. As for the Hollywood issue... well, they have a history of changing, er, history e.g. U571. I think most self respecting patriotic Englishman has the right to be anti Mel though.


p.s. I think D for Digger/ J for Jumbo is serviceable, but it's down under. With a different paint job, it could come in handy.

[Wader2]

Originally Posted by alex_holbrook

As for the Hollywood issue... well, they have a history of changing, er, history

Not forgetting Errol Flynn - Objective Burma. Now that really was an all-American classic re-write. It was even better received than U571 as cinema had been very popular up until that time.

At least Gregory Peck in the Purple Plain played an RAF Sqn Ldr

[Polikarpov]

"Tauranga's surviving Dambuster pilot, Les Munro, says Peter Jackson will need to be careful picking the crews for his remake and warned of heavy flak if the remake became a love story. "

Interview with Les on the link below.

Tv3 Video

[wub]

Here's an interesting demo of what can be done with CGI, allowing for the sound being a bit 'iffy'
http://www.angel.ne.jp/~tochy/airplane/dws/merlins.mpg