End of an Era
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Official line is indeed two to SA and one to Switzerland. Thing is, while I can fully appreciate the desire to spend one's hard earned lottery winnings on a jolly in an EE Ligthning, is there really a market to be strapped into the coal hole in the nose of a PR.9? I can think of cheaper and indeed more enjoyable ways to bring up my lunch. Or will they perhaps be used for something else I wonder?
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TRANSPORTATION
I believe that the aircraft that are bound for South Africa are to be dismantled and transported in big piece parts. This is because they will be unable to get CAA clearance to take off from UK after they have been stripped of equipment in UK! I think, but am not sure that the same will apply to the aircraft bound for Switzeralnd.
'We knew how to whinge but we kept it in the NAAFI bar.'
'We knew how to whinge but we kept it in the NAAFI bar.'
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What transportation?
Being directly aware of the owners thoughts I think I can safely say that all three aircraft will rest at Kemble for a while until decisions can be properly made as to their future, be it flying or otherwise. I wonder where these rumours originate!
Flying can be done, under certain conditions, within the UK on a Permit to Ferry, meaning one positioning flight only. Apart from a few minor parts to refit, this could be achieved relatively quickly if need be.
Whilst lets say that the Canberra is not as 'sexy' as a Vulcan, everyone concered with these aircraft is well aware of the consequences of getting it wrong. Whats is Right will take time but not that much.
Flying can be done, under certain conditions, within the UK on a Permit to Ferry, meaning one positioning flight only. Apart from a few minor parts to refit, this could be achieved relatively quickly if need be.
Whilst lets say that the Canberra is not as 'sexy' as a Vulcan, everyone concered with these aircraft is well aware of the consequences of getting it wrong. Whats is Right will take time but not that much.
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My understanding from chatting at Kemble on Monday is that XH134 has been bought by Swiss business man Mike Davis, and that the aircraft is likely to stay in Britain, possibly Bournemouth and be offered up as a photo platform for commercial use. We’ll have to wait and see and who knows it could be a future airshow exhibit.
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AVPIN
Where are these intrepid PR9 owners going to source and store the horrid AVPIN needed for these aircraft. I know they have some at Bruntinghtorpe for their Lightnings (Ł3500 for 45 gallons) and Beachy Head must have some in SA. Who makes it these days and what is it used for apart from starting Lightning and PR9 engines?
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AVPIN
I understand that AVPIN is made in China. The AVPIN is bought via India as I beleive there are restrictions in buying goods from the Chinese. The Chinese add it to their deisel engined cars in order for it to run efficiently or perhaps to run at all. The RN also use AVPIN as a starting system for the Seadart missile.
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Source of AVPIN
B&S. Thank you very much for that informative reply. It was always treated as VERY hazardous and nasty when used in PR9s. The idea of it being put in an internal combustion engine frightens me enormously and, at the price that applies, who could afford it?
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A couple of years ago there was a scheme to convert the 9s to air-start. I believe this was quietly dropped in light of their then impending retirement. See no reason why this idea couldn't be now be followed through.
However, this talk is only meaningful if there is an intention to continue flying one or more of these airframes on a regular basis. Have seen no real confirmation, or otherwise, that this is the case. If it happens, my feeling is the new owner(s) will solve the problem; if not, there's no problem to solve.
Interesting discussion though - Avpin also makes the finest weed-killer in the galaxy. When used, with care, around the hangar you will never get any more weeds . . . or grass . . . or flowers . . . or insects!!
However, this talk is only meaningful if there is an intention to continue flying one or more of these airframes on a regular basis. Have seen no real confirmation, or otherwise, that this is the case. If it happens, my feeling is the new owner(s) will solve the problem; if not, there's no problem to solve.
Interesting discussion though - Avpin also makes the finest weed-killer in the galaxy. When used, with care, around the hangar you will never get any more weeds . . . or grass . . . or flowers . . . or insects!!
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Never flew a PR9, so no Avpin experience, only cartridges for us. And I we only did 1200 NM night or day navexs, sofar as I remember. Quite far enough for someone brought up on Meteors and Vampires!
Great pictures of the last arrivals at Kemble, I hope they keep flying. Who would have thought that the aircraft I first saw pictures of, as a prototype, when I was a cadet at Cranwell, would outlast my not very illustrious RAF career by 34 years, and my total flying career by 17 years before it retired!
Got about 1000 enjoyable hours in them after not being able to catch them in my Meatbox in the early 50s, and strangely, the first job I had as a civilian was back on Canberras, flying German registered ones, with Luftwaffe navigators, out of Cologne, doing photo survey and radar calibration work. Good fun too.
Great aeroplane, really enjoyed it.
Great pictures of the last arrivals at Kemble, I hope they keep flying. Who would have thought that the aircraft I first saw pictures of, as a prototype, when I was a cadet at Cranwell, would outlast my not very illustrious RAF career by 34 years, and my total flying career by 17 years before it retired!
Got about 1000 enjoyable hours in them after not being able to catch them in my Meatbox in the early 50s, and strangely, the first job I had as a civilian was back on Canberras, flying German registered ones, with Luftwaffe navigators, out of Cologne, doing photo survey and radar calibration work. Good fun too.
Great aeroplane, really enjoyed it.
AVPIN (Iso-propyl-nitrate) was used in the early '60s as a rocket fuel by a company in the USA, which built both direct thrust motors and a sort of 'rocket turbine' motor, the turbine being linked to a gear train similar to a differential, thus enabling it to drive the wheels. Company was called Turbonique Inc. The only application in this country I ever heard of was by a chap called Allen Burgess (then editor of 'Karting' magazine)who put together a mini dragster using two direct thrust motors on what was basically a standard Class 1 kart chassis. From reports I've read, it only ran briefly, the first time at the Blackbushe Dragsfest in about '63. It may well still exist gathering dust in someones garage. Regretfully the timing gear used in those days wasn't set up for such a low slung vehicle, thus no 1/4 mile elapsed times or speeds were recorded. I know from experience that timing gear in the '80s would have registered the vehicle! (13.975 seconds in a 250cc kart)
The idea of it being put in an internal combustion engine frightens me enormously
Witnessed a fellow liney running his moped on Avpin to "get him home", thankfully it hit the cylinder walls as he turned onto the main drag at Chivenor (before it closed in 1975). He went from 0 - a hell of a lot in a micro second but hung on somehow, the gate guard obligingly lifted the barrier as he shot underneath then there was an almighty bang as the cylider head forced it's way with the petrol tank through his arms - brown stain all the way down the road & a very teed off SWO!
Witnessed a fellow liney running his moped on Avpin to "get him home", thankfully it hit the cylinder walls as he turned onto the main drag at Chivenor (before it closed in 1975). He went from 0 - a hell of a lot in a micro second but hung on somehow, the gate guard obligingly lifted the barrier as he shot underneath then there was an almighty bang as the cylider head forced it's way with the petrol tank through his arms - brown stain all the way down the road & a very teed off SWO!
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Rocket2 - bill for new keyboard on its way to you - spewed tea all over it as I read your post.
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Canberra at Duxford
If it was 22 Jul then the ac was ex-WK163 being flown by myself. The purpose of the visit to Duxford was to renew mine and one other pilot's DA on the ac so that we can continue displaying the last remaining airworthy Canberra on the display circuit for the foreseeable future!
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If it was 22 Jul then the ac was ex-WK163 being flown by myself. The purpose of the visit to Duxford was to renew mine and one other pilot's DA on the ac so that we can continue displaying the last remaining airworthy Canberra on the display circuit for the foreseeable future!
yours, 100berramate
yours, 100berramate
