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Good post, but when you do the OpSec lesson you'll learn that revealing your name, rank and unit on internet chat forums is a bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Reach
Good post, but when you do the OpSec lesson you'll learn that revealing your name, rank and unit on internet chat forums is a bad idea.
Thanks for the message. I was just hunting around trying to disable the "show signature" function when I received your message. Wasn't aware the original sig block had been included until I reviewed the post.
For some reason, I can't locate the sub-menu where my sig block resides?
nor can I disable my sig from the 'Miscellaneous Options'Completely understand Opsec issues. Personal details have been manually edited from the post, as I can't seem to rectify this matter from within my personal profile menu?
Cheers,
In Oz
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Originally Posted by FFP
Consider yourself "owned" by an Aussie Off Cdt dhurst !!!!
As you are some what closer geographically to Mr. dhurst - perhaps you might consider taking him under your wing (literally as it seems)? ... LOL
hehehehe ....Cheers,
In Oz
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Cheers for the advice guys, some people would take some of your comments as an insult. But I am at a learning stage so I read all your comments with an open mind.
As for my poor grammer I do apologize its just laziness and I will improve it. I know its no comparison to an Engineer Officer but I am currently an acting deputy manager at my work so I guess in some sense that I have a few management skills as I am in charge of about 6 people. like I said no real comparison to an Officer.
Their are a few good posts from Aussie Aviator and Roadster that have seemed to help, once again cheers for all your help.
As for my poor grammer I do apologize its just laziness and I will improve it. I know its no comparison to an Engineer Officer but I am currently an acting deputy manager at my work so I guess in some sense that I have a few management skills as I am in charge of about 6 people. like I said no real comparison to an Officer.
Their are a few good posts from Aussie Aviator and Roadster that have seemed to help, once again cheers for all your help.
I've been ''at a learning stage'' all my life. It certainly never stopped when I was an officer. Some of the most valuable lessons came from the experienced NCOs I had the pleasure of working with (for?) over the years.
Good luck in your quest.
Good luck in your quest.
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"As for my poor grammer I do apologize its just laziness and I will improve it."
1. Poor grammar isn't going to help you. It's not its
2. Recognising your failings is good but don't apologise for them.
3. Being lazy is no help in anything.
Get working and good luck!
1. Poor grammar isn't going to help you. It's not its
2. Recognising your failings is good but don't apologise for them.
3. Being lazy is no help in anything.
Get working and good luck!
i am going in on the electrical and comms side instead of the aerosystems
And be careful what you ask for, or you'll end up on comms, but looking after a defunct bunker in the middle of nowhere as OC Buchan ..... then again
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A lot of advice here for the potential JEngo.
Never having been in light blue I would assume a newly commisioned JEngo is advised to listen to the Chief Tec's, pretty much along the lines of the advice given to a newly commisioned RE Tp Commander by the Adjt to listen to the 'man of all knowledge' their Troop S/Sgt...
Of course theres always the famous W/Cdr Walter Holden RAF ...... Now there's a real ENGO, what a way to fault find on a Lightning
.....
I wonder what the Lyneham Village website would have made of his little trip round the village???
Never having been in light blue I would assume a newly commisioned JEngo is advised to listen to the Chief Tec's, pretty much along the lines of the advice given to a newly commisioned RE Tp Commander by the Adjt to listen to the 'man of all knowledge' their Troop S/Sgt...
Of course theres always the famous W/Cdr Walter Holden RAF ...... Now there's a real ENGO, what a way to fault find on a Lightning
..... I wonder what the Lyneham Village website would have made of his little trip round the village???
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I like the 'for' bit.
It can be a bit of a grey area now and again....
Some of the most valuable lessons came from the experienced NCOs I had the pleasure of working with (for?) over the years.
It can be a bit of a grey area now and again....
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Originally Posted by dhurst
Cheers for the advice guys, some people would take some of your comments as an insult.
Originally Posted by dhurst
But I am at a learning stage so I read all your comments with an open mind.
Originally Posted by dhurst
As for my poor grammer I do apologize its just laziness and I will improve it.
We all make mistakes and I am personally not foreign to introducing the odd typo error or spelling mistake in my submissions. This is especially so on internet forum sites. However, if you are considering a career in the military - I would suggest you brush up on your general English skills (oral & written), as this forms a significant component of your working day.
Be mindful that as a junior officer, some of your written submissions may be read by very senior officers and/or members' of Parliament!
As for the 'laziness' aspect - if you are fortunate enough to be successful with entry to the RAF - the staff at Officers' Training School will not tolerate any form of laziness what so ever. But even so, you should be making every effort to show case your ability and obvious intelligence to the wider community - and, this extends to internet chat sites.
It all comes down to paying attention to detail and being mindful of who the 'audience' is that you are directing your comments.
Grammar and spelling may seem to some people to be a minor issue, but, bare in mind that many people will judge much about you, simply by your written presentations.
Also be mindful of the fact, that some of your 'audience' on this website are serving members' and you may well end up serving with, or under some of these people.
Originally Posted by dhurst
I know its no comparison to an Engineer Officer but I am currently an acting deputy manager at my work so I guess in some sense that I have a few management skills as I am in charge of about 6 people. like I said no real comparison to an Officer.
I am not commissioned yet either (so, I'm not taking the moral high ground), however; when I was a police officer - it was not uncommon for me to be in charge of up to 20 other members of staff - often working under very highly stressful situations. I won't bore you with the 'war stories,' however; suffice to say this experience has benefitted me well with my officer training - for, in many instances, the roles of both jobs are very similar indeed.
You are obviously a very intelligent young man and the RAF would benefit greatly from employing someone such as yourself. I wish I had half the academic ability that you possess!
I encourage you to make the effort to visit a number of RAF Stations and possibly the RAF Officers' Training School, in order to gain an appreciation of the World in which you wish to join. If you do this, ensure you obtain a 'reference' from your host, verifying that you attended and detailing what activities you performed, or what you were shown during the visit. These visits will obviously enhance your application and will impress the Officer Interview Board as to your motivation and dedication.
If you need to gain access to a RAF establishment, I am confident one of the members on this site maybe able to assist with the organisational aspects/contacts or alternatively, contact your nearest recruiting centre.
I wish you all the very best with your future.
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The relationship between a Junior Officer and his senior SNCO is much like that between a young cabinate minister and his Permanent Secetary. To that end watch all 3 series of "Yes, Minister" and you should have a good grounding.
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Aussie I think your most recent post in this thread was the most encouraging and well written submission I have read since I have been a member on these forums. A lot of what you said is very true and I can already relate to it.
" Grammar and spelling may seem to some people to be a minor issue, but, bare in mind that many people will judge much about you, simply by your written presentations. "
So far I have found that this is true especially when talking to professionals like your self on these forums. A lot of help their Aussie and it’s all greatly appreciated. As for visits to operational RAF bases, I will look into that. I have been to RAF Shawbury as well as RAF Benson,But this was only to see my sister and her husband.
Once again many thanks.
" Grammar and spelling may seem to some people to be a minor issue, but, bare in mind that many people will judge much about you, simply by your written presentations. "
So far I have found that this is true especially when talking to professionals like your self on these forums. A lot of help their Aussie and it’s all greatly appreciated. As for visits to operational RAF bases, I will look into that. I have been to RAF Shawbury as well as RAF Benson,But this was only to see my sister and her husband.
Once again many thanks.
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So far I have found that this is true[,] especially when talking to professionals like your self on these forums. A lot of help their Aussie and it’s all greatly appreciated. As for visits to operational RAF bases, I will look into that. I have been to RAF Shawbury as well as RAF Benson,But this was only to see my sister and her husband.
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New EngO Training Course
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My apologies if you already know this but, from 31 July 2006, the new RAF Engineer Officer Foundation Training Course (EOFT) commences here at sunny Cranwell. It will in fact be 2 separate courses, one for AS and the other for CE although there will still be some common elements. Unlike the current course, the last of which ends with a graduation in September, EOFT is designed to meet the needs of the Junior Engineer Officer in an expeditionary Air Force rather than the traditional "big base" concept. Although academic rigour remains strong, there is much more emphasis on facilitation and thinking your way around situations (a thinking officer, whatever next!). BTW students always complain that there was too much written communication work in the current course only to complain that there wasn't enough after 6 months in their first appointments!
We also teach students to listen to their NCOS!
EOFT is only the beginning!
I commend the wise advice given by MReyn24050.
I am not an Engineer, but good luck!
My apologies if you already know this but, from 31 July 2006, the new RAF Engineer Officer Foundation Training Course (EOFT) commences here at sunny Cranwell. It will in fact be 2 separate courses, one for AS and the other for CE although there will still be some common elements. Unlike the current course, the last of which ends with a graduation in September, EOFT is designed to meet the needs of the Junior Engineer Officer in an expeditionary Air Force rather than the traditional "big base" concept. Although academic rigour remains strong, there is much more emphasis on facilitation and thinking your way around situations (a thinking officer, whatever next!). BTW students always complain that there was too much written communication work in the current course only to complain that there wasn't enough after 6 months in their first appointments!
We also teach students to listen to their NCOS!
EOFT is only the beginning!
I commend the wise advice given by MReyn24050.
I am not an Engineer, but good luck!
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I would seriously consider an attitude transplant if you are successful in your endeavours to get into Cranwell, and particularly before you are introduced to the RAF Regiment who are expert in bringing 'hot shots' down to earth.
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EOFT is designed to meet the needs of the Junior Engineer Officer in an expeditionary Air Force rather than the traditional "big base" concept.
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Originally Posted by Rocket Chucker
I would seriously consider an attitude transplant if you are successful in your endeavours to get into Cranwell, and particularly before you are introduced to the RAF Regiment who are expert in bringing 'hot shots' down to earth.
DHurst said something dumb, he was corrected by a whole bunch of posters, he said sorry. Give the guy a break, he hasn't even started officer training...I'm sure he'll do fine.