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In response to why are military personnel not allowed to wear uniform on flights from civil airports see JSP800 Passenger Travel Instructions Ch2 sect 18 para 2.2.18.012. Hence the Movers at Brize are only carrying out instructions as laid down by S02 Passenger policy DTMA. I have also seen letters from 2 major civil airports that military passengers use, saying that they do not want military personnel to wear uniform so as to reduce the military profile at these airports. Which you can understand given that these personnel could well have personal weapons if coming from Iraq or Afg. Although a hessian wrapped SA80 still looks like an SA80!! Joe public could feel a bit nervy if the guy at their check-in desk is in full military garb and SA80.
Whilst I agree with the many posts made here that we should be proud to wear our uniform in public. Our masters have dictated that this should not be at civilian airports if you are a passenger.
It could be an antiquated ruling from the past that has not been updated and they have got the civil airports to agree to this. Who knows?
So there it is in black and white like it or lump it.
Whilst I agree with the many posts made here that we should be proud to wear our uniform in public. Our masters have dictated that this should not be at civilian airports if you are a passenger.
It could be an antiquated ruling from the past that has not been updated and they have got the civil airports to agree to this. Who knows?
So there it is in black and white like it or lump it.
"Hence the Movers at Brize are only carrying out instructions as laid down by S02 Passenger policy DTMA."
Hardly a particularly grand fromage, je would pense?
Und ja, Befehl ist Befehl und must be obeyed vizout kvestions, mein Fuehrer....
To get the stupid rule sorted you need to involve a grown up and put forward a strong case to change it.
"I have also seen letters from 2 major civil airports that military passengers use, saying that they do not want military personnel to wear uniform so as to reduce the military profile at these airports."
Name them and shame them - piss or get off the pot!
Hardly a particularly grand fromage, je would pense?
Und ja, Befehl ist Befehl und must be obeyed vizout kvestions, mein Fuehrer....
To get the stupid rule sorted you need to involve a grown up and put forward a strong case to change it.
"I have also seen letters from 2 major civil airports that military passengers use, saying that they do not want military personnel to wear uniform so as to reduce the military profile at these airports."
Name them and shame them - piss or get off the pot!
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Originally Posted by MyEdUrts
Which you can understand given that these personnel could well have personal weapons if coming from Iraq or Afg. Although a hessian wrapped SA80 still looks like an SA80!! Joe public could feel a bit nervy if the guy at their check-in desk is in full military garb and SA80.
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Uniform in civilian airports
Yes the JSP 800 clearly states no uniform! I can speak from first hand that I saw an army lad wandering thru LHR in desert uniform carrying bergen, body armour etc. The eyes of every passenger were on this individual and actually parted (like the waves) when he walked past. Weapons or no weapons, why compromise your security and that of our British public for the sake of a pair of jeans and tee shirt. If these pax had to move from the Gulf by commercial means, would you think they would travel in uniform, I think not! So rest my case. Its not a stupid request that the "Movers" ask pax change into civvies, its common sense. So give them a break. They have a job to do just like us!
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Here we go yet again.......
Someone says the Movers are carrying out instructions and BEagle comes up with his mock German accent insinuating that they are similar to concentration camp guards yet again!
SAC Mover gets told to read out an instruction from SO2 Pax Pol (Sqn Ldr last time I checked). SAC Mover says "Oh I think thats a bit stupid maybe I will question that instruction......"
Yeah right I am sure there are enough Sqn Ldrs (and ex Sqn Ldrs) on here who would really take kindly to being asked why by an SAC.
Oh yes...yes.... I forget you would ALL take the time to explain to the SAC
Don't have a go at the SAC Movers - have a go at the commissioned Suppliers who try to run the trade.
Ah but they might answer back on equal terms though.
Surprised Enumbers has resurrected his Movs v ALM pages yet.
Someone says the Movers are carrying out instructions and BEagle comes up with his mock German accent insinuating that they are similar to concentration camp guards yet again!
SAC Mover gets told to read out an instruction from SO2 Pax Pol (Sqn Ldr last time I checked). SAC Mover says "Oh I think thats a bit stupid maybe I will question that instruction......"
Yeah right I am sure there are enough Sqn Ldrs (and ex Sqn Ldrs) on here who would really take kindly to being asked why by an SAC.
Oh yes...yes.... I forget you would ALL take the time to explain to the SAC
Don't have a go at the SAC Movers - have a go at the commissioned Suppliers who try to run the trade.
Ah but they might answer back on equal terms though.
Surprised Enumbers has resurrected his Movs v ALM pages yet.
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The fact is that if you wear uniform in the civilian environment, you draw attention to yourself and like it or not, that makes you a potential target.
That said, it doesn't really matter because the vast majority of military personnel, regardless of rank, could wear uniform, pink pajamas or nothing at all and, in the civillian environment, they still become very obvious after a very short period of time.
Sorry chaps, you must try harder, like it or not, those who may be out to harm you know that too.
That said, it doesn't really matter because the vast majority of military personnel, regardless of rank, could wear uniform, pink pajamas or nothing at all and, in the civillian environment, they still become very obvious after a very short period of time.
Sorry chaps, you must try harder, like it or not, those who may be out to harm you know that too.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
Totally outrageous.
As if the overstretched, underfunded forces don't have enough buggering about as it is, for some faceless pratt to have decided that they may not be seen in uniform in a UK airport is scandalous.
This policy MUST BE ****CANNED NOW!!
That commercial pretty well sums things up - the contrast between the way the US treats its forces and the way the UK MoD does......
As if the overstretched, underfunded forces don't have enough buggering about as it is, for some faceless pratt to have decided that they may not be seen in uniform in a UK airport is scandalous.
This policy MUST BE ****CANNED NOW!!
That commercial pretty well sums things up - the contrast between the way the US treats its forces and the way the UK MoD does......
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Originally Posted by MajorMadMax
Those are actual US soldiers in the commercial, but you will notice their uniforms were devoid of any insignia. The commercial was shown during the 2005 Super Bowl, and was ranked as the best ad among the nearly 60 shown during the game.
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave...
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Land of the Free, Home of the Brave...
Cheers! M2
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Originally Posted by Roamer
But "he"..maybe "she" probably got a gong out of it...these days aircrew are fine to get gongs for OOA (specific telic) but groundcrew dont...cause the 2 months away from their family EVERY year dont cont !
The armed force of the UK is limited and will soon be know as USRAF....pay me when it's true :-)
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Originally Posted by Grecians
Yes the JSP 800 clearly states no uniform! I can speak from first hand that I saw an army lad wandering thru LHR in desert uniform carrying bergen, body armour etc. The eyes of every passenger were on this individual and actually parted (like the waves) when he walked past. Weapons or no weapons, why compromise your security and that of our British public for the sake of a pair of jeans and tee shirt. If these pax had to move from the Gulf by commercial means, would you think they would travel in uniform, I think not! So rest my case. Its not a stupid request that the "Movers" ask pax change into civvies, its common sense. So give them a break. They have a job to do just like us!
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similar post about putting your weapons through a scanner on 'why we hate RAF policemen'. Absolutely UNBELIEVABLE. Did they say 'Sir we have found a weapon in the scanner?? It beggars belief.
Grecian
The pax parted out of awe and respect, its only because we Brits are stiff, they didnt all start clapping. If i was there i would have started it for him. Why didnt you?? were you embarassed??
1. Not Worthy??
2. Never Been There??
3. Not Teeth Arm??
Frankly he has kohonurs the size of jupiter to walk through the terminal like that with his head up high! Let me shake his hand!!
similar post about putting your weapons through a scanner on 'why we hate RAF policemen'. Absolutely UNBELIEVABLE. Did they say 'Sir we have found a weapon in the scanner?? It beggars belief.
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Yes the JSP 800 clearly states no uniform! I can speak from first hand that I saw an army lad wandering thru LHR in desert uniform carrying bergen, body armour etc. The eyes of every passenger were on this individual and actually parted (like the waves) when he walked past. Weapons or no weapons, why compromise your security and that of our British public for the sake of a pair of jeans and tee shirt. If these pax had to move from the Gulf by commercial means, would you think they would travel in uniform, I think not! So rest my case. Its not a stupid request that the "Movers" ask pax change into civvies, its common sense. So give them a break. They have a job to do just like us!
1. Not Worthy??
2. Never Been There??
3. Not Teeth Arm??
Frankly he has kohonurs the size of jupiter to walk through the terminal like that with his head up high! Let me shake his hand!!
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Originally Posted by Roamer
But "he"..maybe "she" probably got a gong out of it...these days aircrew are fine to get gongs for OOA (specific telic) but groundcrew dont...cause the 2 months away from their family EVERY year dont cont !
A bit off the thread; but, no one (in the UK Armed Forces at least) has ever received campaign medals just for being away from home. The issue of a UK campaign medal (either a specific medal like Iraq or as a separate clasp/ribbon to a GSM/OSM like Afghanistan) and the approval to wear a foreign campaign medal (NATO/UN) is judged on the basis of the risk and rigour. Hence why those chaps in Basra, Kandahar etc (that are subject to regular presents from the indigenous population) qualify for the award of such medals whereas those who stay in places such as Al Udied (complete with Burger King, coffee bars and a bra-shaped entertainment area) don't.
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Originally Posted by Climebear
A bit off the thread; but, no one (in the UK Armed Forces at least) has ever received campaign medals just for being away from home. The issue of a UK campaign medal (either a specific medal like Iraq or as a separate clasp/ribbon to a GSM/OSM like Afghanistan) and the approval to wear a foreign campaign medal (NATO/UN) is judged on the basis of the risk and rigour. Hence why those chaps in Basra, Kandahar etc (that are subject to regular presents from the indigenous population) qualify for the award of such medals whereas those who stay in places such as Al Udied (complete with Burger King, coffee bars and a bra-shaped entertainment area) don't.
Now we go to Al Udied every 14 months for 2 months...no r&r and i feel more threathened by the yanks than i did in AAS...at least there they were stuck on the Rock !! Also the Bra bar is nothing to write home about...i wish it was alcohol free......
he only good thing like you said is the coffee shop !....but i doubt i could claim on JPA the $10 for coffee every day.
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A friend who has just transited out through here told me that the Civil Servants in the Embassy in Baghdad do not like servicemen wearing uniform at the embassy as 'it offends them'. It appears the airports arent the only ones that dont like uniforms in public. Suddenly I see the value of losing thousands of Civ Servs.
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Please tell your 'friend' to go over to the said Civil servant and politely say FU
OFF!!! Tell the £15 000 to £35 000 (the best of them!) that are all non-combatent to F**K O*F and they earn a co*k wage.
Please tell your 'friend' to go over to the said Civil servant and politely say FU
OFF!!! Tell the £15 000 to £35 000 (the best of them!) that are all non-combatent to F**K O*F and they earn a co*k wage.
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Originally Posted by Grecians
Yes the JSP 800 clearly states no uniform! I can speak from first hand that I saw an army lad wandering thru LHR in desert uniform carrying bergen, body armour etc. The eyes of every passenger were on this individual and actually parted (like the waves) when he walked past. Weapons or no weapons, why compromise your security and that of our British public for the sake of a pair of jeans and tee shirt. If these pax had to move from the Gulf by commercial means, would you think they would travel in uniform, I think not! So rest my case. Its not a stupid request that the "Movers" ask pax change into civvies, its common sense. So give them a break. They have a job to do just like us!
I trust that you get great pleasure from your grasp of bureaucratic idiocies. The rest of us will continue to declare our admiration for, and pride in, our servicemen in uniform.
God, give me strength.
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Originally Posted by Tigs2
ell the £15 000 to £35 000 (the best of them!) that are all non-combatent to F**K O*F and they earn a co*k wage.