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Originally Posted by SASless
Seems we are grasping at some straws here folks. Some would suggest Montgomery as a Field Marshal was not entitled to a salute because the Americans do not have a comparable rank.
So it would seem a British Field Marshal is not entitled to a salute by "any" American military person.
So it would seem a British Field Marshal is not entitled to a salute by "any" American military person.
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Telling all about the battle plan is cool....after the battle....not just mere days "Before" the show kicks off!
Telling all about the battle plan is cool....after the battle....not just mere days "Before" the show kicks off!
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When did US Warrants give a flying or other type fornication about a salute? In the day, Warrants didn't salute and didn't care about getting salutes.
US Warrants don't bow (or curtsie for the wimmin Warrants) for the Queen or her family either, so we don't expect them to bow or curtsie for US Warrants - but few would object if, in incredible awe, the Queen chooses to do so.
US Warrants don't bow (or curtsie for the wimmin Warrants) for the Queen or her family either, so we don't expect them to bow or curtsie for US Warrants - but few would object if, in incredible awe, the Queen chooses to do so.
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Apart from their NCOs I was never able to work out what rank Americans were. Privates, WOs and officers all looked the same to me. Of course, we Brits don't even salute Air Chief Marshals if we're not wearing our hats and we never wear a hat indoors. Americans are big on saluting and seem to salute everybody, everywhere all the time, hatless or not.
I was once saluted at fifty paces by a Gurkha sentry when the RAF first put rank badges on NCOs' epaulettes. He insisted on having it returned and I had to resort to a certain vocabulary I learned in Brats, to convince him I was a Sergeant.
I was once saluted at fifty paces by a Gurkha sentry when the RAF first put rank badges on NCOs' epaulettes. He insisted on having it returned and I had to resort to a certain vocabulary I learned in Brats, to convince him I was a Sergeant.
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Next thing they tell us is they toast the Queen while sitting too!
That and how a guy can wear a Green Beret, with two hat badges, red trousers, and not be a Marine.
Next thing they tell us is they toast the Queen while sitting too!
That and how a guy can wear a Green Beret, with two hat badges, red trousers, and not be a Marine.
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interesting in the Gulf we had to salute US officers of higher rank but we were ignored by US soldiers of lower rank. And given the extreme bad manners of US soldiers and officers saluting whilst smoking using mobile phones I think that for the US military to complain when we ignore them is a bit much. My best one on a US base was "Excuse me son but I am entitled to a salute as a warrant officer" to which I replied " In the British army as a Warrant officer you aren't but I as a Captain most definitly Am!" stunned silence and half hearted salute.
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Chief Two, you really are a tedious waste of oxygen. You tried this before as 'New WO1', not only here on Pprune but on Arrse too. You got told to grow up and sling yer hook on both occasions.
You've even been told in black and white here on Arrse what the score is.
You are either;
1. A very good wind up merchant. Well done
2. A prick.
William Hill has the majority of wagers on number 2.
Any real US Army Warrants out there who can 'educate' Chief Two in the appropriate old fashioned manner wins a crate of Boddingtons. Failing that, arrange an exchange posting with the AAC and we will show him how we salute the likes of him.
You've even been told in black and white here on Arrse what the score is.
You are either;
1. A very good wind up merchant. Well done
2. A prick.
William Hill has the majority of wagers on number 2.
Any real US Army Warrants out there who can 'educate' Chief Two in the appropriate old fashioned manner wins a crate of Boddingtons. Failing that, arrange an exchange posting with the AAC and we will show him how we salute the likes of him.
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To be honest, I've hardly met a WO of any military that has proven themselves worthy of a 'good morning' let alone a salute.
I'd rather have a good Staff Sergeant / Flight Sergeant as my right hand man any day over a Warrant - the Staff Sergeant is still 'trying' each day, rather than feeling like he's got there, and is now going to wallow in the mistaken belief that people now think he is god.
I'd rather have a good Staff Sergeant / Flight Sergeant as my right hand man any day over a Warrant - the Staff Sergeant is still 'trying' each day, rather than feeling like he's got there, and is now going to wallow in the mistaken belief that people now think he is god.
Don't forget that the last appearance on Pprune involved a Pprune regular assuming the artist formely known as New WO1's identity and simply cutting and pasting from Arrse to see whether the reaction here would be similarly hostile...
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We had a WO Bronco driver in the mess at Lossie. He couldn't understand why everyone kept staring at a WO in an Officer's Mess.
As for 'any WO in any military' I think you might make a distinction with the senior service and one WO Rocket in particular.
When it came to bidding for an exchange slot at Waddo the RN accepted the hit and offered a WO in exchange for a Sgt. Good rate of exchange.
As for 'any WO in any military' I think you might make a distinction with the senior service and one WO Rocket in particular.
When it came to bidding for an exchange slot at Waddo the RN accepted the hit and offered a WO in exchange for a Sgt. Good rate of exchange.
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and offered a WO in exchange for a Sgt
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Originally Posted by wg13_dummy
Exactly, PN. The US Army system and in particular, Chief Two, has virtually no military experience in the equivilent sense of HM Forces Warrants. Chief Two is on similar terms to a newly promoted RAF rearcrew member
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Originally Posted by Chief_Two
Yes, but many US Army Warrants are Warranted as WO1s from E6, and Navy Warrants are usually E8s and E9s before they are Commissioned as CW2.
You were obviously knitted then as you have demonstrated a less than zero score for your situational awareness.
Do you find you get punched by your peers on a regular basis?
Out of interest, how long have you served in the US regular forces?
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This thread is jolly good fun and all that but I just don't understand why anyone cares enough to even reply to this Chief_Two or New WO1 or whoever he claims to be.
With apology for the repetitive nature of my response, but:
US Warrant Officers, 'real' US Warrant Officers (not those who need recognition to compensate for deep seated inferiority and sexual inadequacies and who are in reality psuedo-Warrants) do not salute unless forced by threat of courts martial. Real Warrants could care less if others of any rank in any nation salute them or where others might think they fit atop some military totem pole.
Having stated that opinion, I must admit that I once saluted Mad Dog Mike Benthall, a pioneer in British military aviation (Scouts) and commander of a Gurka fighting unit who is reputed to have been the only serving officer to have told the Queen to sod off with those mangy Geordies whilst on a VIP flight to Windsor Castle. Though he often denied being the British officer who promoted Idi Amin to sergeant long before he became the 'Big Daddy' we came to know and love, he was fond of telling stories of his military discharge which, some say, happened several times a night while he was posted in the very far east which is right of India I hear. I was, at the time, reliably informed that he, or someone who looked like him, got more bounce than a badgers bum. His fascination with little maps of Ireland was never really understood. At any rate, he was a British Officer any US Warrant could respect and one deserving of a crisp, military salute by God!
With apology for the repetitive nature of my response, but:
US Warrant Officers, 'real' US Warrant Officers (not those who need recognition to compensate for deep seated inferiority and sexual inadequacies and who are in reality psuedo-Warrants) do not salute unless forced by threat of courts martial. Real Warrants could care less if others of any rank in any nation salute them or where others might think they fit atop some military totem pole.
Having stated that opinion, I must admit that I once saluted Mad Dog Mike Benthall, a pioneer in British military aviation (Scouts) and commander of a Gurka fighting unit who is reputed to have been the only serving officer to have told the Queen to sod off with those mangy Geordies whilst on a VIP flight to Windsor Castle. Though he often denied being the British officer who promoted Idi Amin to sergeant long before he became the 'Big Daddy' we came to know and love, he was fond of telling stories of his military discharge which, some say, happened several times a night while he was posted in the very far east which is right of India I hear. I was, at the time, reliably informed that he, or someone who looked like him, got more bounce than a badgers bum. His fascination with little maps of Ireland was never really understood. At any rate, he was a British Officer any US Warrant could respect and one deserving of a crisp, military salute by God!
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Originally Posted by Rich Lee
US Warrant Officers, 'real' US Warrant Officers do not salute unless forced by threat of courts martial. Real Warrants couldnt care less if others of any rank in any nation salute them or where others might think they fit atop some military totem pole.
Originally Posted by Chief_Two
The new breed of Warrant Officers do care and expect to be saluted.
CW2, please, once and for all, go stand in front of a mirror and salute yourself until you can do it no more, then start again.
No matter how many months you have been in the US forces, you are still a WARRANT officer in the eyes of MOST of the worlds forces, so you will not get, (nor do you deserve it) saluted by any Brit worth their salt.
Repeat: Up 2 3, Down 2 3, Up 2 3 Down 2 3, now be a good chief warrant 2, and
go away.God help us when you get the next lucky box of cornflakes with a CW3 badge and saluting manual inside. (or was it a golden wrapper from a Wanka Bar)
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The new breed of Warrant Officers do care and expect to be saluted.
Nah, thought not. This door swings both ways!
BTW, I was exceedingly proud of Her Majesty's Warrant which was bestowed upon me and never begrudged saluting anyone who held Her Majesty's commission.
Which not many septics do!