Has the ISK Staish Lost the Plot?
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
I think this is getting a little too personal. Endex.
If your CO says "Hats on", then it's "Hats on".
If your CO says "Parade at 0600 in Issue PT Kit" then see you at 0600. In Issue PT Kit.
If your CO says "Parade at 0600 in Issue PT kit wearing SD Hats", then perfectly reasonably, one of his DIRECT SUBORDINATES should "have a word". After parading of course.
Gents, it's the military. Age old thing. "Defend, not practice democracy".
Leaders will emerge. Some may be promoted beyond their capacity. I'd like to think that the RAF has now been around long enough to recognise its future senior leaders.
For now, get your f***ing hat on. Sir(s).
Well said Roadstar.
Trouble is once out of the airfield, and into the domestic sites getting the RAF to dress the same would cost heartache and money.
I bet its been looked at for years over, I still can't see whats wrong with the Navy way, "you will wear this today"
Tough titty if you get cold or your hot because you have to wear your jumper.
Before anyone says it, the Navy and Army have pilots to - But they wear the rig of the day when there not flying, and that includes all the trips across station that RAF pilots / aircrew insist on doing in flying suits - because I am flying in 3 hours / days, and the same applies to groundcrew and the dark blue shirts that need no tie.
A pop at our chiefs - yes, it would be nice if we all dressed the same. Maybe then the pride and the tradition the other two services correctly accuse us not of having would be batted back.
Trouble is once out of the airfield, and into the domestic sites getting the RAF to dress the same would cost heartache and money.
I bet its been looked at for years over, I still can't see whats wrong with the Navy way, "you will wear this today"
Tough titty if you get cold or your hot because you have to wear your jumper.
Before anyone says it, the Navy and Army have pilots to - But they wear the rig of the day when there not flying, and that includes all the trips across station that RAF pilots / aircrew insist on doing in flying suits - because I am flying in 3 hours / days, and the same applies to groundcrew and the dark blue shirts that need no tie.
A pop at our chiefs - yes, it would be nice if we all dressed the same. Maybe then the pride and the tradition the other two services correctly accuse us not of having would be batted back.
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Originally Posted by Clockwork Mouse
And I don't think it was very clever identifying the individual.
Thus your 3 posts in the last 36 hrs have just fuelled the flames. Suggest therefore that you get off your sanctimonious high horse and avoid threads like this if you don't like it. That's what I do!
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So pride is all about wearing the same uniform and behaving is 'a smart military style' - like the army and navy? Bull, it's bombs on target against all the odds, it's about keeping the a/c serviceable by whatever means - our sole purpose is to generate air power anything else is ancillary
A while back (post GW1) there was a series of letters in the RAF news about this very subject, there had been a photo of some plumbers clustered around a Tonka in somewhere sandy, an anally retentive SWO had written in to chastise the sqn for looking like a bunch of pirates (bandanas, cut-off combats, sunglasses etc) An old boy wrote in to say he'd been the SEngO on a Hurricane Squadron in the DAF and didn't give a toss about way the boys looked like as long as they were comfortable and could do their job - just like in his day. Was he lacking in pride?
A while back (post GW1) there was a series of letters in the RAF news about this very subject, there had been a photo of some plumbers clustered around a Tonka in somewhere sandy, an anally retentive SWO had written in to chastise the sqn for looking like a bunch of pirates (bandanas, cut-off combats, sunglasses etc) An old boy wrote in to say he'd been the SEngO on a Hurricane Squadron in the DAF and didn't give a toss about way the boys looked like as long as they were comfortable and could do their job - just like in his day. Was he lacking in pride?
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In the military, one has to do as one is told, but there is no obligation to either enjoy doing it or to refrain from grumbling about it. Perhaps there was in the Soviet Union....
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Was at Red Flag a few years ago. Walking behind 6 RAF types. 6 different variations on the uniform (all scruffy, only 2 wearing hats). 6 different levels of clinical obesity. Utter shambles. Surprised anyone takes you seriously.
I think the Buccs were pretty scruffy on Flag too - on the ground .....
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This is all so trivial. Grown men wittering on about a 'hats to be worn' order. Jeese, what the ****'s the officers of today's RAF coming to! To let such a trivial thing fester in your mind to extent you get this exercised over it, well . . . It's not only lamentable, it's pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Beeayeate
This is all so trivial. Grown men wittering on about a 'hats to be worn' order. Jeese, what the ****'s the officers of today's RAF coming to! To let such a trivial thing fester in your mind to extent you get this exercised over it, well . . . It's not only lamentable, it's pathetic.
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wotta,
i think you should have just worn the headgear but i do agree your staish should be dealing with big issues not trivial and pointless issues as said.
Beagel suggest you stop telling people to leave and maybe direct that comment to the staish who obviously has far too much time on his hands and clearly isnt leaving menial ans pathetic orders like you must wear your hat to the SWO, we all know they love hacking people off!
i think you should have just worn the headgear but i do agree your staish should be dealing with big issues not trivial and pointless issues as said.
Beagel suggest you stop telling people to leave and maybe direct that comment to the staish who obviously has far too much time on his hands and clearly isnt leaving menial ans pathetic orders like you must wear your hat to the SWO, we all know they love hacking people off!
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Clockwork Mouse wrote:
Sorry, but that has to take the biscuit as one of the most sanctimonious bits of tripe ever posted on PPRuNe. I'll bet you were a bundle of laughs to work with! 
If you are indeed military, I suggest you should now look for one more suited to your own personal standards. You certainly don't live up to mine.
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Gentlemen. (I use the term ironically)
You are an embarrasment your service.
Members of all three services are currently living and dying in sh1te conditions in war zones, and you whinge about the irritation and inconvenience of wearing a cap to your crew bus.
You should be ashamed.
You are an embarrasment your service.
Members of all three services are currently living and dying in sh1te conditions in war zones, and you whinge about the irritation and inconvenience of wearing a cap to your crew bus.
You should be ashamed.
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You are missing the point, I am away in those conditions and this thread is managing to consistantly raise my morale for short periods of time while I see the blunt perspective versus the aircrew one.
Fab, lets keep it going.
Fab, lets keep it going.
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agreed, but most of this has been fairly personal stuff aimed at one individual. If there is a genuine gripe, cool, bring it on let's chat about that, but not because someone is made to wear a hat. This is not about hats, it is about a bunch of people whinging because they don't think the rules apply to them, that they are somehow special. They are not special, should just put the bloody thing on their heads, look smart and get on with their jobs. Find something meaningful to whinge about, because quite frankly it is all a bit embarrassing that people need to be told...
It is not the Staish worrying about an irrelevent issue here...
agreed, but most of this has been fairly personal stuff aimed at one individual. If there is a genuine gripe, cool, bring it on let's chat about that, but not because someone is made to wear a hat. This is not about hats, it is about a bunch of people whinging because they don't think the rules apply to them, that they are somehow special. They are not special, should just put the bloody thing on their heads, look smart and get on with their jobs. Find something meaningful to whinge about, because quite frankly it is all a bit embarrassing that people need to be told...
It is not the Staish worrying about an irrelevent issue here...