WSOP PAY UPBANDING?
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Has there been an official announcement? I left work at 5 yesterday and nothing had been said.
Are there any details on timings etc? I seem to remember that the AP3392 says something about up-banding taking place the following Apr after an announcement. Anyone have anymore details?
However, even if it is Apr, at least it's been done.....finally!
Are there any details on timings etc? I seem to remember that the AP3392 says something about up-banding taking place the following Apr after an announcement. Anyone have anymore details?
However, even if it is Apr, at least it's been done.....finally!
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Heard this morning that it's official. However, not been given any of the nitty gritty, i.e when it's happening or how it's happening. Do we go across on the same level hence £10 a day more or do we just go across onto a lower level and stay at the same pay initially?
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Joint Service Publication 754 TRI-SERVICE REGULATIONS FOR PAY AND CHARGES
03.0209
a. Up-ranging. This involves the movement of personnel from the lower pay range to the corresponding higher pay range on the same pay IL. On 1 April of the year following promulgation, personnel will transfer to the appropriate IL in the higher range which matches the IL they were on in the lower range (e.g. a corporal on IL 3 in the lower pay range will transfer to IL 3 in the higher pay range). Personnel on a Specially Determined Rate of Pay (SDRP) in the lower pay range will transfer to the highest IL in the higher pay range, unless the SDRP is higher, in which case they will remain on the SDRP until the individual’s rank changes such that the new rate of pay supersedes the SDRP.
Lets hope they don't change the goal posts!!!
03.0209
a. Up-ranging. This involves the movement of personnel from the lower pay range to the corresponding higher pay range on the same pay IL. On 1 April of the year following promulgation, personnel will transfer to the appropriate IL in the higher range which matches the IL they were on in the lower range (e.g. a corporal on IL 3 in the lower pay range will transfer to IL 3 in the higher pay range). Personnel on a Specially Determined Rate of Pay (SDRP) in the lower pay range will transfer to the highest IL in the higher pay range, unless the SDRP is higher, in which case they will remain on the SDRP until the individual’s rank changes such that the new rate of pay supersedes the SDRP.
Lets hope they don't change the goal posts!!!
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....and you will all be very happy with your new found wedge and live happily ever after.
...or lets not forget that this is the only conclusion from a gross miscarriage of justice that has left many, many families unfairly disadvantaged financialy. From the moment that we all became WSOp this should have been put to bed, and the litigation remains out there waiting for a time and place.
Has anybody done the sums to see if there are any advantages to leaving PAS for WSOp(ALM)? ....especially as the PVR route may again be negotiable rather then wearing this f******* leg iron with enhanced pension written on it.
...or lets not forget that this is the only conclusion from a gross miscarriage of justice that has left many, many families unfairly disadvantaged financialy. From the moment that we all became WSOp this should have been put to bed, and the litigation remains out there waiting for a time and place.
Has anybody done the sums to see if there are any advantages to leaving PAS for WSOp(ALM)? ....especially as the PVR route may again be negotiable rather then wearing this f******* leg iron with enhanced pension written on it.
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Originally Posted by No Vote Joe
Joint Service Publication 754 TRI-SERVICE REGULATIONS FOR PAY AND CHARGES
03.0209
a. Up-ranging. This involves the movement of personnel from the lower pay range to the corresponding higher pay range on the same pay IL. On 1 April of the year following promulgation, personnel will transfer to the appropriate IL in the higher range which matches the IL they were on in the lower range (e.g. a corporal on IL 3 in the lower pay range will transfer to IL 3 in the higher pay range). Personnel on a Specially Determined Rate of Pay (SDRP) in the lower pay range will transfer to the highest IL in the higher pay range, unless the SDRP is higher, in which case they will remain on the SDRP until the individual’s rank changes such that the new rate of pay supersedes the SDRP.
Lets hope they don't change the goal posts!!!
03.0209
a. Up-ranging. This involves the movement of personnel from the lower pay range to the corresponding higher pay range on the same pay IL. On 1 April of the year following promulgation, personnel will transfer to the appropriate IL in the higher range which matches the IL they were on in the lower range (e.g. a corporal on IL 3 in the lower pay range will transfer to IL 3 in the higher pay range). Personnel on a Specially Determined Rate of Pay (SDRP) in the lower pay range will transfer to the highest IL in the higher pay range, unless the SDRP is higher, in which case they will remain on the SDRP until the individual’s rank changes such that the new rate of pay supersedes the SDRP.
Lets hope they don't change the goal posts!!!
Just had a look at two examples :
If two Level 6 Sergeants £88.52 per day get promoted on 1st July 2006, one WSOP(ALM) and one WSOP(EW) .
WSOP(EW) new wage as a FS is FS high band LVL 1 :£90.24
WSOP (ALM) new wage as a FS is FS low band LVL 6 : £ 92.10.
If up-banding occurs on 1st Oct 06, with the rules above then:
WSOP(EW) new wage as a FS is FS high band LVL 1 :£90.24
and
WSOP (ALM) new wage as a FS is FS high band LVL 6 : £ 101.21
both blokes getting promoted on the same day resulting in the WSOP ALM having the equivalent of 5 AIPs in 6 months. Can't see the bean counters approving that system.
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Like I said, lets hope the goalposts don't change.
Still, that's what it says in the JSP, and in the given example, so they must have thought about it when they wrote it. Surely they never thought that no one would ever get up banded?
Let's just see it as redressing some of the unfair imbalance from the past. It's not as if anyone else is losing out, just a small number getting a little bit more. Also, note that FS & MACR ALMs on PA get no rise, although those just about to (after implementation) will.
A small victory for some more than others, but it's great for all those whose time has yet to come.
Still, that's what it says in the JSP, and in the given example, so they must have thought about it when they wrote it. Surely they never thought that no one would ever get up banded?
Let's just see it as redressing some of the unfair imbalance from the past. It's not as if anyone else is losing out, just a small number getting a little bit more. Also, note that FS & MACR ALMs on PA get no rise, although those just about to (after implementation) will.
A small victory for some more than others, but it's great for all those whose time has yet to come.
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Unbelievable. We only find out yesterday that it's happening and already people are moaning and bitching about one thing or another. Are we ever happy or are we just a trade full of miserable b******s?!
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We should clamp the bit*hing, as it is exceptional for these upbandings to happen at any other time than 1 Apr each year.
The powers that be have worked v hard and professionally to achieve this.
Don't knock those who have quietly and pro-actively achieved this welcomed parity across the specialisations.
I am quite honestly astounded they have achieved this coup de gras prior to Apr 07.
Well Done whoever you are!
The powers that be have worked v hard and professionally to achieve this.
Don't knock those who have quietly and pro-actively achieved this welcomed parity across the specialisations.
I am quite honestly astounded they have achieved this coup de gras prior to Apr 07.
Well Done whoever you are!
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Originally Posted by slatsgalore
Interesting, so we are paid the same but some of us do more checks per year??? ??? Your having a laugh???
Don't know where you're coming from, Dear Chap ?!
This is great news, and long overdue. Lets celebrate!!
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I know a lot of guys at ISK worked damn hard behind the scenes to help present a strong case ... congrats to all involved
. How long before someone starts whinging about the next review
. How long before someone starts whinging about the next review
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Sorry to harp back to this 'old ground', but has anybody actually asked the question regarding those on the PA spine and equality of pay. I fully recognise this upbanding was needed however you may now have an empowered ALM MACR on PAS running a full section in reciept of a lesser salary then those under his command. Can there be any other industry where you would reward the powers of leadership with less pay. We are relying on a lot of good will as it already stands, for ALM MACR to take on this previous Flt Lt position but resentment can only be just around the corner. The answer is quite simple, when the new upbanding takes place in Oct 06, all those on PAS would move up a band commensurate with what they should have gone in at originally with the Air Eng and AEOP colleagues. Surely it can not be too late to address this potential hornets nest, and I know people will not vote with their feet, but as is proving in oxon, there will be many vacant section ldr positions and nobody willing to take them on.
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[QUOTE=Spit the Dog] and I know people will not vote with their feet,
Sorry Spit, you've got it in one.
Some win, some don't, but no one gets paid any less.
Is it any less fair than a FS, acting paid MACR (who is A grade, in a PIC, doing the job, but not promoted because of quotas), who is then offered PA, only to get a pay cut as he transfers on his substantive rank? Short term pain, long term gain.
Sorry mate.
Sorry Spit, you've got it in one.
Some win, some don't, but no one gets paid any less.
Is it any less fair than a FS, acting paid MACR (who is A grade, in a PIC, doing the job, but not promoted because of quotas), who is then offered PA, only to get a pay cut as he transfers on his substantive rank? Short term pain, long term gain.
Sorry mate.
