ANYONE NEED A NEW ROOF?
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Two points -a) the wokkas were there first - and b) by her own account it's a very old house. The latter is important - old houses need repairs far more frequently, and indeed most old houses are in a poor state of repair, particularly on a change of ownership.
Having spent quite a bit of time looking after old houses (though I'm not a surveyor) I can assure you that wind, rain, frost and ground movement will do far more damage than a wokka at 200', if they are at 200' at all. (Most complainants halve the real altitude of an aircraft). The lady is not cash rich, we know, and it's my guess that she and previous owners have skimped on repairs to a house that could easily cost £100,000 to get it back to a sound condition.
The amount paid out to her is very small in the overall scheme, but people who read about it and comment here are naturally a bit peeved at how easy it is to get £6,000 out of MoD, when they can't get money paid out for out of pocket costs incurred OHMS.
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FWIW my last substantive rank was Corporal - so can I carry on now please, Sir? 
Two points -a) the wokkas were there first - and b) by her own account it's a very old house. The latter is important - old houses need repairs far more frequently, and indeed most old houses are in a poor state of repair, particularly on a change of ownership.
Having spent quite a bit of time looking after old houses (though I'm not a surveyor) I can assure you that wind, rain, frost and ground movement will do far more damage than a wokka at 200', if they are at 200' at all. (Most complainants halve the real altitude of an aircraft). The lady is not cash rich, we know, and it's my guess that she and previous owners have skimped on repairs to a house that could easily cost £100,000 to get it back to a sound condition.
The amount paid out to her is very small in the overall scheme, but people who read about it and comment here are naturally a bit peeved at how easy it is to get £6,000 out of MoD, when they can't get money paid out for out of pocket costs incurred OHMS.
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Its a shame that the MOD doesn't include a comprehensive module within the Officer training programme
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Hmmm 
I can remember the Days when we recieved the First ever Chinooks on the OCU fresh off the boat, in fact the first one's period.( Fiery Fred and Flirty Gurty )...... I think they were ZA670 and ZA671 but it was a long time ago...
Anyway I digress, I was in ops at the time the first one was flying around the circuit and the Australian Exchange Pilot we had on the OCU took a phone call from an Irate farmer complaining that the new big Helicopter we had was upsetting his horses.
Our Exchange pilot nonchantly replied... "well as this is the first of many and as they are going to be here for the next 20 odd years plus, then they better get
used to it" upon which he promptly put the phone down on him.
I do believe he never called back
I can remember the Days when we recieved the First ever Chinooks on the OCU fresh off the boat, in fact the first one's period.( Fiery Fred and Flirty Gurty )...... I think they were ZA670 and ZA671 but it was a long time ago...Anyway I digress, I was in ops at the time the first one was flying around the circuit and the Australian Exchange Pilot we had on the OCU took a phone call from an Irate farmer complaining that the new big Helicopter we had was upsetting his horses.
Our Exchange pilot nonchantly replied... "well as this is the first of many and as they are going to be here for the next 20 odd years plus, then they better get
used to it" upon which he promptly put the phone down on him. I do believe he never called back
What a pity the Lightning is long gone, a squadron battle climb on Q alert would have soon shaken the s**t out of her.
You buy the house where you want to, and then complain about the surroundings, maybe she should sue her solicitor, for doing a poor search on the property. Odiham is not exactly inconspicuous and was there long before this silly old bat.
Keep flying lads and lasses, and come home safely, maybe she should think about these people before herself.
You buy the house where you want to, and then complain about the surroundings, maybe she should sue her solicitor, for doing a poor search on the property. Odiham is not exactly inconspicuous and was there long before this silly old bat.
Keep flying lads and lasses, and come home safely, maybe she should think about these people before herself.
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That would have been ZA672 (FF) & ZA673 (FG) and Flt Lt Daryl Wilcox (12 Squadron RAAF) was your man.
In the early 80’s most of the complaints were from battery hen farmers - one can only imagine how a chicken lets loose a square egg, but that’s what they used to say.
There is a delightful lady I know just north of Dummer who owns a stables and allows the Chinook crews to practise field landings on the estate. A couple of years ago during training one of the livery horses bolted and sustained very minor injuries to a leg, or so the owner claimed.
The owner and a few others who stabled their horses on-site insisted that she ban the Chinooks from landing on her land in future as they were a danger to the horses. She would have none of it and as a consequence several clients took their business elsewhere.
It’s a great shame when the ‘not in my back garden’ brigade win one over on the MoD.
Hopefully the next time the MoD compensate her will be as a result of a triple fuel bullock impact to the house.
That would have been ZA672 (FF) & ZA673 (FG) and Flt Lt Daryl Wilcox (12 Squadron RAAF) was your man.
In the early 80’s most of the complaints were from battery hen farmers - one can only imagine how a chicken lets loose a square egg, but that’s what they used to say.
There is a delightful lady I know just north of Dummer who owns a stables and allows the Chinook crews to practise field landings on the estate. A couple of years ago during training one of the livery horses bolted and sustained very minor injuries to a leg, or so the owner claimed.
The owner and a few others who stabled their horses on-site insisted that she ban the Chinooks from landing on her land in future as they were a danger to the horses. She would have none of it and as a consequence several clients took their business elsewhere.
It’s a great shame when the ‘not in my back garden’ brigade win one over on the MoD.
Hopefully the next time the MoD compensate her will be as a result of a triple fuel bullock impact to the house.
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Hopefully the next time the MoD compensate her will be as a result of a triple fuel bullock impact to the house.
* Although 5 is a pig to rig.
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I think that this is what some PPRuNers were looking for
Andover Advertiser 9 July 2004-07-08
Letters to the Editor (pg. 17)
We should be grateful rather than grumpy over these helicopters.
YOUR tired and anonymous reader from Cole Close wrote complaining about military helicopters, asking who gave them permission to fly over his house, waking him in the night.
Well, I live near Cole Close, I can tell the gentleman that the helicopters (which woke me too, briefly) fly in the air corridor over open land to the east of Andover, away from housing.
But the ones he complains of so bitterly were Chinooks and their noise travels on calm, windless nights.
The Chinooks were flying to part of a recent army exercise on Salisbury Plain, an exercise for soldiers who recently returned from six months in Iraq and who will no doubt return there (or to Bosnia or to Afghanistan, or Africa, or wherever the UK Government next decides to keep the peace).
UK exercises provide a brief, safe opportunity for the Army and RAF to practice operations or test new equipment and to train new personnel without the threat of enemy fire.
They take place infrequently and are well planned, avoiding as much disruption as possible and keeping noise to a minimum. But inevitably someone’s back yard is encroached, even briefly. Even in Cole Close.
No doubt the next day Mr Grumpy of Cole Close drove safely via Kiel Drive and avoided the non-existent shell holes not obstructing Saxon Way, with no danger of ethnic snipers from ‘that lot’ in Charlton or Enham Alamein trying to pick him off.
His spouse may have followed him, delivering children to school without having to run the gauntlet of bigoted hate-filled neighbours intent on stoning them as they passed. And when he returned home (possibly upset by a hash email from someone in accounts or angry because the stationary cupboard had run out of paper clips) no burning bodies lay in the road.
His house had not been burnt down because guerrillas from Winton objected to his religion or place of birth or skin colour or language or narrow-mindedness.
He could barbecue in the garden, leaving the children to play safely in the adjacent nature reserve, because the Andover Revolutionary Party had not booby-trapped their footsteps or land-mined the roads.
Wake up and smell the peace Mr Nimby! You and I and the other residents of Andover owe a huge thank you to our soldiers and aircrew who do our Government’s bidding under terrible conditions month after month.
And when they do need a few nights per year to exercise in safety then I for one am happy to hear the helicopters pass by. After all, they won’t be firing missiles into my back yard. Will they?
A serving soldier
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This appealed to me when I saw it and kept it for just such an occasion as this.
Letters to the Editor (pg. 17)
We should be grateful rather than grumpy over these helicopters.
YOUR tired and anonymous reader from Cole Close wrote complaining about military helicopters, asking who gave them permission to fly over his house, waking him in the night.
Well, I live near Cole Close, I can tell the gentleman that the helicopters (which woke me too, briefly) fly in the air corridor over open land to the east of Andover, away from housing.
But the ones he complains of so bitterly were Chinooks and their noise travels on calm, windless nights.
The Chinooks were flying to part of a recent army exercise on Salisbury Plain, an exercise for soldiers who recently returned from six months in Iraq and who will no doubt return there (or to Bosnia or to Afghanistan, or Africa, or wherever the UK Government next decides to keep the peace).
UK exercises provide a brief, safe opportunity for the Army and RAF to practice operations or test new equipment and to train new personnel without the threat of enemy fire.
They take place infrequently and are well planned, avoiding as much disruption as possible and keeping noise to a minimum. But inevitably someone’s back yard is encroached, even briefly. Even in Cole Close.
No doubt the next day Mr Grumpy of Cole Close drove safely via Kiel Drive and avoided the non-existent shell holes not obstructing Saxon Way, with no danger of ethnic snipers from ‘that lot’ in Charlton or Enham Alamein trying to pick him off.
His spouse may have followed him, delivering children to school without having to run the gauntlet of bigoted hate-filled neighbours intent on stoning them as they passed. And when he returned home (possibly upset by a hash email from someone in accounts or angry because the stationary cupboard had run out of paper clips) no burning bodies lay in the road.
His house had not been burnt down because guerrillas from Winton objected to his religion or place of birth or skin colour or language or narrow-mindedness.
He could barbecue in the garden, leaving the children to play safely in the adjacent nature reserve, because the Andover Revolutionary Party had not booby-trapped their footsteps or land-mined the roads.
Wake up and smell the peace Mr Nimby! You and I and the other residents of Andover owe a huge thank you to our soldiers and aircrew who do our Government’s bidding under terrible conditions month after month.
And when they do need a few nights per year to exercise in safety then I for one am happy to hear the helicopters pass by. After all, they won’t be firing missiles into my back yard. Will they?
A serving soldier
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Originally Posted by Hilife
NutLoose
That would have been ZA672 (FF) & ZA673 (FG) and Flt Lt Daryl Wilcox (12 Squadron RAAF) was your man.
In the early 80’s most of the complaints were from battery hen farmers - one can only imagine how a chicken lets loose a square egg, but that’s what they used to say.
There is a delightful lady I know just north of Dummer who owns a stables and allows the Chinook crews to practise field landings on the estate. A couple of years ago during training one of the livery horses bolted and sustained very minor injuries to a leg, or so the owner claimed.
The owner and a few others who stabled their horses on-site insisted that she ban the Chinooks from landing on her land in future as they were a danger to the horses. She would have none of it and as a consequence several clients took their business elsewhere.
It’s a great shame when the ‘not in my back garden’ brigade win one over on the MoD.
Hopefully the next time the MoD compensate her will be as a result of a triple fuel bullock impact to the house.
That would have been ZA672 (FF) & ZA673 (FG) and Flt Lt Daryl Wilcox (12 Squadron RAAF) was your man.
In the early 80’s most of the complaints were from battery hen farmers - one can only imagine how a chicken lets loose a square egg, but that’s what they used to say.
There is a delightful lady I know just north of Dummer who owns a stables and allows the Chinook crews to practise field landings on the estate. A couple of years ago during training one of the livery horses bolted and sustained very minor injuries to a leg, or so the owner claimed.
The owner and a few others who stabled their horses on-site insisted that she ban the Chinooks from landing on her land in future as they were a danger to the horses. She would have none of it and as a consequence several clients took their business elsewhere.
It’s a great shame when the ‘not in my back garden’ brigade win one over on the MoD.
Hopefully the next time the MoD compensate her will be as a result of a triple fuel bullock impact to the house.
Yeah I know, I took the decision not to pop his name in as I thought it would have been better that way, we also had all the Boeing Test Pilots and crews there at the time too, Ron Mechlin ? (spelling) amongst others... I still have all the original Chinnok badges I was given by them at the time including my obligitory Boeing Helicopters Derby Hat lol....
They made an interesting change from the Wessex and Pumas which I came off when the OCU did it's split with the Wessex going to Benson..... still have some photos floating around somewhere of all of 72 Sqdns Aircraft departing in mass formation from Odiham too as well as the OCU ones
Oh and the 5 Pumas the OCU put over Benson as a bet ( beer of course) due to the Wessex contingent saying we would never get all 5 serviceable......... we did it and won the beer, often wonder if they ever figured out we had borrowed a Puma to do it lol.....
Looks like a nice village
http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cg...pc&coordsys=gb
Which one is the Manor House? 
http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cg...pc&coordsys=gb
Which one is the Manor House?
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Many years ago a friend of mine found himself up before the magistrates to explain an over-exuberant approach at a small Essex airfield which involved the removal of a farmhouse chimneypot with the wheel of his Prentice. He defended himself vigorously, with the interesting argument that the approach to a runway was a damn silly place to build a house.
The farmhouse probably dated back to around 1700. Fined £50.
The farmhouse probably dated back to around 1700. Fined £50.
>There is a delightful lady I know just north of Dummer who owns a stables and allows the Chinook crews to practise field landings on the estate<
It so happens that Madam and self own and live next to one of the fields used by Shawbury for something similar. So we see and hear Griffins and Squirrels daily and the occasional Puma and Merlin. We've only had the pleasure of a few visits from Chinooks over the years, but apart from the low-frequency component of the sound (which is thoroughly enjoyable) I'd say they're a lot quieter and less intrusive than the Griffin -- which is not only noisy but doesn't even sound pleasant to my tolerant ears. And the Merlin is fantastically quiet compared with everything else we've heard and enjoyed in the past twenty years.
Oh, and parts of our place are a good 200 years old. We haven't seen any helicopter-related damage yet.
So let's have more in Field 24 (SJ328150). And as for a passing Spitfire, chance would be a fine thing . . .
It so happens that Madam and self own and live next to one of the fields used by Shawbury for something similar. So we see and hear Griffins and Squirrels daily and the occasional Puma and Merlin. We've only had the pleasure of a few visits from Chinooks over the years, but apart from the low-frequency component of the sound (which is thoroughly enjoyable) I'd say they're a lot quieter and less intrusive than the Griffin -- which is not only noisy but doesn't even sound pleasant to my tolerant ears. And the Merlin is fantastically quiet compared with everything else we've heard and enjoyed in the past twenty years.
Oh, and parts of our place are a good 200 years old. We haven't seen any helicopter-related damage yet.
So let's have more in Field 24 (SJ328150). And as for a passing Spitfire, chance would be a fine thing . . .
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Well if the NIMBY gets her way and Odiham closes, then hopefully she enjoy all the asylum seekers / young offenders / Army Vehicles that may be housed there walking / driving past her manor house. She's lucky my house in BASO is only 30 years old and it has cracks in the wall. I think the MOD used the money saved for the rebanding of FS / MACr NCA to pay her off.
