RAF JPA Rollout
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From: Chilling out on the water if it's warm enough
Blimey...had my first experience with JPA yesterday (as now on terminal leave).
Paychit finally received, only a couple of hundred short of what it should be
Then came the fun trying to get a mileage claim for a hospital appointment using my own car...Presumably i should have filled the tank up before setting off and then refilled it on returning to unit, presenting the receipt to prove that i actually spent money on fuel?? And is there any way of factoring in the other elements that used to combine to make our (exceedingly generous) mileage rate?? And just as a matter of interest, do MOD civilians still get a mileage rate per mile or are they also stuck with this time consuming and convoluted system??
Next time (if there is time for one) i shall now doubtless get MT to hire me a car. Im sure that will save the RAF money compared to paying a mileage rate...
Glad to be leaving although its a bit worrying that JPAC now also seem to be involved in pensions side. Whats the betting that they wont have actioned my request for maximum commutation????
edit : I see theres a bit in the latest issue of Private Eye about JPA
Paychit finally received, only a couple of hundred short of what it should be
Then came the fun trying to get a mileage claim for a hospital appointment using my own car...Presumably i should have filled the tank up before setting off and then refilled it on returning to unit, presenting the receipt to prove that i actually spent money on fuel?? And is there any way of factoring in the other elements that used to combine to make our (exceedingly generous) mileage rate?? And just as a matter of interest, do MOD civilians still get a mileage rate per mile or are they also stuck with this time consuming and convoluted system??
Next time (if there is time for one) i shall now doubtless get MT to hire me a car. Im sure that will save the RAF money compared to paying a mileage rate...
Glad to be leaving although its a bit worrying that JPAC now also seem to be involved in pensions side. Whats the betting that they wont have actioned my request for maximum commutation????
edit : I see theres a bit in the latest issue of Private Eye about JPA
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From: Bath
Scribbly quote
"Your PSF sends a weekly "how goes it" report back to AFPAA, so if you want your points to be heard you could send a nice e-mail to your PSF"
Why not send this link to AFPPA? and while you are at it, Adam Ingham, as he appears to be in touch with reality as usual:
"Well the Minister for the Armed Forces (Adam Ingram) seemed rather surprised that JPA was a problem... When asked why JPA was rushed in when it didn't work he replied that the message he was getting was that it was a success with only minor problems... great to know that the senior management passes the message up!!!"
I have to ask the question why did the RAF volunteer to go first, was it to get the senior airships a pat on the head from John Reid?
"Your PSF sends a weekly "how goes it" report back to AFPAA, so if you want your points to be heard you could send a nice e-mail to your PSF"
Why not send this link to AFPPA? and while you are at it, Adam Ingham, as he appears to be in touch with reality as usual:
"Well the Minister for the Armed Forces (Adam Ingram) seemed rather surprised that JPA was a problem... When asked why JPA was rushed in when it didn't work he replied that the message he was getting was that it was a success with only minor problems... great to know that the senior management passes the message up!!!"
I have to ask the question why did the RAF volunteer to go first, was it to get the senior airships a pat on the head from John Reid?
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From: Bath
Originally Posted by TheBeeKeeper
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Get a grip
Nice comment below. Bet his pay wasnt f**ked up last month...
/quote "Wing Commander Trevor Field, a RAF spokesman and administrator, said he was unhappy with press interest in the delay and "bored" RAF "whingers" on chat sites like the Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe), which he said make things appear worse than they are". /unquote..
Obviously bucking for gold braid on his hat....
/quote "Wing Commander Trevor Field, a RAF spokesman and administrator, said he was unhappy with press interest in the delay and "bored" RAF "whingers" on chat sites like the Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe), which he said make things appear worse than they are". /unquote..
Obviously bucking for gold braid on his hat....
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From: NOTTINGHAM
Who's this ostrich then?
It took 8 Days to eventually submit a travel claim and 10 days for JPA to pay it! I ain't whinging just pointing out that the old manual F1771 system had it in my bank account within 3 days!
Wake up, Trev! You Blunty!
DII! Another puppy that will sh!t all over our carpets and, it seems, the same bloody mob of no-hopers are doing that one too!!!
FW
Wing Commander Trevor Field, a RAF spokesman and administrator, said he was unhappy with press interest in the delay and "bored" RAF "whingers" on chat sites like the Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe), which he said make things appear worse than they are.
Wake up, Trev! You Blunty!
Wing Commander Field could not say whether the MOD would seek compensation for the delay from EDS, despite a recent application for compensation from the supplier (EDS) for MOD delays that impacted another EDS project, the Defence Information Infrastructure (DII).
FW
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From: UK
"bored" RAF "whingers"
As for being a "whinger", yes - I do complain when the service that I'm entitled to isn't up to standard. I suppose that I've been working with too many Americans!
I'll give then a chance now that I know that their problems "will be solved completely by the end of the week"!
Red On, Green On
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From: Between the woods and the water
So if a chap/chapess is missing pay, can't speak to anyone about it (perhaps beacuse they are sandy side) what they are supposed to do what exactly? Bet the system has no accurate way of checking that the pay has been correctly made up, anyway.
I'd suggest a group of
get onto their MP and ask them to push hard on their behalf. A Govt. that can't send back hi-jackers needs calling to account for all its errors.
I'd suggest a group of
"bored" RAF "whingers"
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From: Portsmouth
As an interested party (RN, the next victims in this sorry tale), it is interesting to see how the venerable Wing Commander is more concerned at rubbishing the "whingers" than with turning on the people whose fault this all is. As for promising a solution "by the end of the week" - it will be interesting to see what he classes as a "solution" - will it be restitution of the self-service function, or will it be extending the working hours outside normal UK Office hours? Having seen the latest of the regular SITREPs for the system, and the attached memo which details a poor crab's efforts to get a travel claim processed, I would suggest that the Wing Commander should look to support his people, not to defend the company which has provided this shower of sh1t.
The RN top levels are fully aware of all this, and look in on Pprune, Rum Ration, ARRSE and other sources on a regular basis, and at the moment the nervous laughter is becoming quieter and quieter....
The RN top levels are fully aware of all this, and look in on Pprune, Rum Ration, ARRSE and other sources on a regular basis, and at the moment the nervous laughter is becoming quieter and quieter....
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From: Blighty
lol - guess the Wg Cdr has done a different press course to me then. Never good to totally alienate a group of people with genuine concerns (sorry, whinges), neither is it good to promise the system will be fixed by the weekend. Guess he will look fairly silly come Monday morning if the 'fires are still smouldering'.
Give him the benefit of the doubt tho, I look forward to everyone's pay and access rights being sorted by Monday, I'm sure we all will - after all he promised didn't he...?
Give him the benefit of the doubt tho, I look forward to everyone's pay and access rights being sorted by Monday, I'm sure we all will - after all he promised didn't he...?
Red On, Green On
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From: Between the woods and the water
How does the good WingCo plan to sort out the band-width issues in 72 hours? Can he re-write the laws of physics, as well?
Answers on a post-card to Pprune Towers, c/o The Poke It Inn, Wibble.
Answers on a post-card to Pprune Towers, c/o The Poke It Inn, Wibble.
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From: England
Wing Commander Field
Whingers........ you after a job with these W*nkers too Sir? Or just another high ranker who is more interested in 'STATS' than anything else.
How many people have COMPLAINED about the failure of JPA on here? Whats the STAT on that?
Wake up and smell Coffee, you stuck up P*ICK.
How many people have COMPLAINED about the failure of JPA on here? Whats the STAT on that?
Wake up and smell Coffee, you stuck up P*ICK.
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See also: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/09052006/36...struggles.html
"Wing Commander Trevor Field, a public relations consultant and forces administrator, said problems where still being ironed out, and self-service access was still limited. But only about two per cent of 50,000 RAF salaries had been miscalculated by the system. He could not confirm how many people had benefits such as flight pay miscalculated, but insisted the system had been properly tested.
He explained it had been a difficult job for EDS because there were 70 old computer systems that needed to be incorporated into the old one, and that the old method probably gave more errors."
TMAC
"Wing Commander Trevor Field, a public relations consultant and forces administrator, said problems where still being ironed out, and self-service access was still limited. But only about two per cent of 50,000 RAF salaries had been miscalculated by the system. He could not confirm how many people had benefits such as flight pay miscalculated, but insisted the system had been properly tested.
He explained it had been a difficult job for EDS because there were 70 old computer systems that needed to be incorporated into the old one, and that the old method probably gave more errors."
TMAC
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From: UK
OK then, WingCo Whatzizface promises a solution by the end of the week (can't remember it word for word but saw the article in The Register).
So if the system doesn't work properly, on Monday will he go public with an apology to all those who still can't access the system, those he has insulted, and then resign his commission there and then? Nope, thought not. Or is he the sacrificial lamb? ("goat" more appropriate?)
I would have thought that a Wing Commander would know better than to commit himself like that, especially given what has gone on before. No-one in their right mind should make promises they can't keep.
On the other hand, if it works as advertised, I'll give him his due.
Followed by "about time you bluntie gits".
JG
So if the system doesn't work properly, on Monday will he go public with an apology to all those who still can't access the system, those he has insulted, and then resign his commission there and then? Nope, thought not. Or is he the sacrificial lamb? ("goat" more appropriate?)
I would have thought that a Wing Commander would know better than to commit himself like that, especially given what has gone on before. No-one in their right mind should make promises they can't keep.
On the other hand, if it works as advertised, I'll give him his due.
Followed by "about time you bluntie gits".
JG
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From: Middle East
Wing Commander Trevor Field, a RAF spokesman and administrator
If the Wg Cdr does indeed speak for the Royal Air Force, well Sir I could hardly blame personnel from venting their understandable fustrations on an open forum as it seems there are no other channels open to them. I hope for your credibility that the system is fully operational by cop friday, as we all know credibility is the key when we consider command. I wonder what command means to you? What or who were you considering when you made the above comments?
I hope you were mindfull of those who have been financially out of pocket or inconvenienced by the unhappy debut of JPA. Think before you issue forth some pretty hefty criticism of those who are entitled to their views, I for one do not respect your comments. Not a big thumbs up from a JO.
But from reading your comments above I'm 100% certain you don't give a damn!!
I hope you were mindfull of those who have been financially out of pocket or inconvenienced by the unhappy debut of JPA. Think before you issue forth some pretty hefty criticism of those who are entitled to their views, I for one do not respect your comments. Not a big thumbs up from a JO.
But from reading your comments above I'm 100% certain you don't give a damn!!
