Progress or just potential? (Typhoon)
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Tarnished,
Woz up?
I was just wondering why Jacko was posting something that obviously even he realised wasn't 'news'. I didn't knock his support.
As for the title of the thread, yes it is both progress and potential, because we know what is still going on to develope the aircraft.
sw
Woz up?
I was just wondering why Jacko was posting something that obviously even he realised wasn't 'news'. I didn't knock his support.
As for the title of the thread, yes it is both progress and potential, because we know what is still going on to develope the aircraft.
sw
Woz up?
Well I guess you're right, bit of an overdramatic response. Been another frustrating week in JSF land. Its friday I guess so time to chill. Just thwarted at every turn it seems. Don't like seeing a good product being slagged off.
I'll go and take my medicine.
T
Well I guess you're right, bit of an overdramatic response. Been another frustrating week in JSF land. Its friday I guess so time to chill. Just thwarted at every turn it seems. Don't like seeing a good product being slagged off.
I'll go and take my medicine.
T
The point I was making was obviously too subtle...
Why bother with all those draggy external tanks when there's a very nice Airbus A310 MRTT to give you the gas you need instead.....
Horrible to see such a fine AD machine as the TypHoon carrying air-to-mud ordnance.
Have fun in Spamland trying to sort out the 'low cost' JSF!
Why bother with all those draggy external tanks when there's a very nice Airbus A310 MRTT to give you the gas you need instead.....
Horrible to see such a fine AD machine as the TypHoon carrying air-to-mud ordnance.
Have fun in Spamland trying to sort out the 'low cost' JSF!
Sorry Beags, missed the subtle approach (been away from Blighty too long I guess - not many subtle things in Texas!)
"Have fun in Spamland trying to sort out the 'low cost' JSF!"
Yeah right, as soon as I've done that I'll fix world poverty, hunger and find a cure for cancer and the common cold.
"Have fun in Spamland trying to sort out the 'low cost' JSF!"
Yeah right, as soon as I've done that I'll fix world poverty, hunger and find a cure for cancer and the common cold.
hi,
first post here, looking for some very general Typhoon information.
i'm wondering if - rather than when - typhoon might replace the Tornado F3's in the Falklands and in general terms how long it will be before a handfull of fully A2G capable typhoons will be able to enter service - and whether Typhoons in RAF service be fitted to carry anti-shipping missiles.
i realise that this sounds like the number one question from Argentina, but i was wondering if open source information can answer these questions.
cheers,
CC
first post here, looking for some very general Typhoon information.
i'm wondering if - rather than when - typhoon might replace the Tornado F3's in the Falklands and in general terms how long it will be before a handfull of fully A2G capable typhoons will be able to enter service - and whether Typhoons in RAF service be fitted to carry anti-shipping missiles.
i realise that this sounds like the number one question from Argentina, but i was wondering if open source information can answer these questions.
cheers,
CC
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Now, if the Argies invaded the Falklands again, or at least threatened to, that might just get typhoon development moved up a few notches.
That would make me proud to be British again - something happening overnight (apart from turning good ale into a hangover).
That would make me proud to be British again - something happening overnight (apart from turning good ale into a hangover).
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
cokecan, the first question is easy. Just look at the F3 drawdown rates. The second set of questions is easy to pose and the answer is in the GR4 drawdown rates.
One is quicker and the other is so far in the future to defy precision - in other words it can slip or slide.
One is quicker and the other is so far in the future to defy precision - in other words it can slip or slide.
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GBU-16 vs UK PWII
Jacko,
The read across for GBU-16 to UK PWII is that GBU 16 uses what is known generically as a Paveway 2 kit, i.e. it utilises a laser detector attached to 'bang-bang' fins on the front, and the back end has cruciform fins that extend from the weapon post release. The major difference, and the one that makes the trial irrelevant for the UK is that the kits are attached to totally different bombs. GBU-16 attaches a 'pwII' kit to a Mk-83, whilst UK PWII (my capitals) attaches the kit to the venerable UK 1000lb-er. These bombs are very different in size and shape (albeit they weigh pretty much the same), have different fuzes and will have ballistic profiles, hence they will fall off the jet differently!
From the above you could also deduce that our pwII kits would not fit onto a GBU-16, and from this you could see that pwII is more of a class of weapon rather than a specific bomb. It is just unfortunate that the UK decided to call their's by the same name.
HKF.
The read across for GBU-16 to UK PWII is that GBU 16 uses what is known generically as a Paveway 2 kit, i.e. it utilises a laser detector attached to 'bang-bang' fins on the front, and the back end has cruciform fins that extend from the weapon post release. The major difference, and the one that makes the trial irrelevant for the UK is that the kits are attached to totally different bombs. GBU-16 attaches a 'pwII' kit to a Mk-83, whilst UK PWII (my capitals) attaches the kit to the venerable UK 1000lb-er. These bombs are very different in size and shape (albeit they weigh pretty much the same), have different fuzes and will have ballistic profiles, hence they will fall off the jet differently!
From the above you could also deduce that our pwII kits would not fit onto a GBU-16, and from this you could see that pwII is more of a class of weapon rather than a specific bomb. It is just unfortunate that the UK decided to call their's by the same name.
HKF.
Originally Posted by Tarnished
Roland, FYI Sparrow has much bigger fins
Indeed so, Roly.
A few years back, we did some TypHoon AAR on the IoM towline. The first unplugged with full internals, dropped back to retract the probe, then smoked past and up to FL500-ish. Reported level and working in the block FL 460-FL 5something0 a few seconds later. Second mate did the same, but was told to stop climb 'not above FL460 - similar type working above!'.
One wonders when such an instructon had last been given to a UK military jet?
A few years back, we did some TypHoon AAR on the IoM towline. The first unplugged with full internals, dropped back to retract the probe, then smoked past and up to FL500-ish. Reported level and working in the block FL 460-FL 5something0 a few seconds later. Second mate did the same, but was told to stop climb 'not above FL460 - similar type working above!'.
One wonders when such an instructon had last been given to a UK military jet?
Well, they'll need a different LDP for their export customer (unless you can persuade them that it's really from Northrop Grumman). If the US decides to be balky, they'll have to go Damocles. But that's just the stuff you run into when you try to run a medieval theocracy in the 21st century.
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After which, teach the buggers how to brew decent beer!
Microbreweries!
The best British invention to be adopted widely in the US since the jet engine and the magnetron. (Except it took the US to work out that the best use of the magnetron was not to shoot down Dorniers or bomb the #$@* out of Hamburg, but to warm up your leftovers for lunch.)
The best British invention to be adopted widely in the US since the jet engine and the magnetron. (Except it took the US to work out that the best use of the magnetron was not to shoot down Dorniers or bomb the #$@* out of Hamburg, but to warm up your leftovers for lunch.)
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Say what you like about the Typhoon, if I had my pick of UK FJ ac to fly there would be no doubt in my mind, Typhoon top of the list. I hope they thrash out all the JCA issues so at some point in the future we have a real modern multi role capability. Imagine the role disposal at Valley 2015, feel sorry for the bloke who gets Predator or GR4.
i read - on Wiki - that the tranche 1 block 5 RAF AC's will have some A2G capability (Litening Laser Designating Pod and Enhanced Paveway II G/LGB).
based on this i have two more questions.
the first is could you in an emergency use old style SNEB unguided rocket pods and unguided HE/Cluster bombs on the T1B5 AC as well? (assuming that the 'plumbing' for such systems is pretty basic, if you can hang AIM9L's off a Nimrod for the Falklands then hanging rocket pods from a Typhoon can't be that difficult...)
and secondly, could such an A2G capable Typhoon based at MPA be considered capable of detering any future Argentine aggression or if neccesary punching a big whole in an invading argentine fleet or landed forces?
oh, thirdly, is their any reason - bar cost and overstretch - that the RAF only has F3's at MPA?
Cheers, CC.
based on this i have two more questions.
the first is could you in an emergency use old style SNEB unguided rocket pods and unguided HE/Cluster bombs on the T1B5 AC as well? (assuming that the 'plumbing' for such systems is pretty basic, if you can hang AIM9L's off a Nimrod for the Falklands then hanging rocket pods from a Typhoon can't be that difficult...)
and secondly, could such an A2G capable Typhoon based at MPA be considered capable of detering any future Argentine aggression or if neccesary punching a big whole in an invading argentine fleet or landed forces?
oh, thirdly, is their any reason - bar cost and overstretch - that the RAF only has F3's at MPA?
Cheers, CC.