Year Out of RAF Q!

[Andy_20]

Im ground crew and finding it hard to find an exat answer to this. I was wondering anyone knows if it is possible to take a year out of the mob (unpaid of course) to do qualifications or travelling?

[GipsyMagpie]

Sabatical

Yes. You can definitely do it but it may be an officer only or a case by case thing. Look through regs, JSP, DIN, particularly under RN regs as I know I have seen it there. I will look if I get the opportunity.

G

[Andy_20]

thanks, whose the best person to seek at work OC PSF!?

[Climebear]

Andy

No need to worry OC PSF (he'll only go and ask the chf clk anyway)! Your local (Sqn/Eng Wg or whatever your wg is called forward/depth/base sp ...) Clerk should be able to tell you. If you have access to the Intranet,you should be able to find for yourself in AP3392 Vol 2. If I get chance when I get in tomorrow, I'll look it up and give you the reference (sad I may be, but not that sad to know each AP3392 reference).

[Safety_Helmut]

Definitely go straight to AP3392. I normally find that after asking the shinies for help you have to go and look it up for yourself anyway. I am also pretty sure you can do it ?

S_H

[Andy_20]

Ha, cheers that would be perfect dude.... ill have a lok myself when i get bk in tomo night.

[Ginseng]

Andy_20

Your first port of call should now be JSP 760, which covers all forms of absence, including unpaid leave, from the introduction of JPA, for all 3 Services. If you have access to the Defence Intranet, use the "search" function for "JSP". The top option will be the JSP catalogue (in blocks of 100). Select "700 - ", scroll down to 760 and select. On the next page, select "Launch Document".

If you don't have access, ask your PSF for help (although they might be a bit busy with data migration for JPA at the moment!).

Do be aware that taking unpaid leave may mean that the time won't count towards your reckonable service for pension/EDP and some other entitlements. Read carefully.

Regards

Ginseng

[Tombstone]

Depending on what you are looking to get out for may be a factor too. For example, if you are looking to do some high level sport, you may get time off with full pay. I mate of mine took a few years out to train for the olympic Judo team only to be injured 6 months before the tournament began!!

Good luck with it Andy.

[Andy_20]

Well im kinda of after going skiing for 4 months and starting my ATPL concentrating on teh hard stuff as i want my ppl in june... doubt theyll give me paid leave to go skiing... wish they would!

[tonkatechie]

I believe it's also in QR's - I'm not shiney enough to know which one! It's called a career break, and will no doubt refer you to another AP for the relevent documentation to apply. Success will no doubt depend on someone in your chain of command saying it's ok to go without you for a year, as it's unlikely that your post will be temporarily filled by someone else.
Good luck though.

[Rossian]

sabbatical

Hi andy20
Yes, you can have a year out; as I know someone who is starting hers this week. Remember! It's no pay! What the other ramifications might be I can't tell you. If you like, I can try and find out from the (metaphorical) horse's mouth. She'd kill me if I said mare's mouth.
The Ancient Mariner

[Andy_20]

That would be fantastic thanks? is that still current with all 3 services?

[Climebear]

JSP 760 is available on the Intranet here - Chapter 18 for Career Brakes

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The first para reads:

18. CAREER BREAKS


AIM

18.001 The aim of this Chapter is to set out the general terms and conditions under which the Armed Forces offer limited opportunities for Service personnel to take a Career Break (CB) where this does not compromise operational effectiveness. It is emphasised that CBs are granted at the absolute discretion of the Service; they are not a right and will only be permitted where manning margins allow and where they do not compromise operational capability. This means that inevitably some applications will be refused. Personnel on a CB will not be paid and will remain liable for recall to duty in the event of operational necessity. CBs may be for any period over 3 months and up to 3 years. Service personnel management authorities, however, may cap their duration at less than 3 years to minimise gapping and maintain operational capability. For the same reason it may be necessary to restrict the number of personnel on CBs at any one time.

[Training Risky]

Andy 20,

Where's Lytham?

[Andy_20]

Lytham is in the North-West of England, just outside blackpool and preston on the coast.


Thanks for that quote dude, think ill go see the chf clk today

[allan907]

Alternatively, you could just go skiing and not turn up for work next Monday. You can then have as much time off as you wish. This method also gives a little frisson in that you can have lots of excitement dodging the MPs and civvy police (after they've finished their speed camera work). When you have decided that the time is right and you wish to come back to work then you will find that you are the centre of attention. You will also get to meet lots of relatively high powered people who will travel miles to come and see you (it's called a District Court Martial) and at the end of this process you will be posted to Colchester for quite a long time and, while you won't be able to go off base, your food and accommodation charges are waived (I think). You might even be given the opportunity to seek a new career direction which might be useful as you don't seem overly committed to your present career - dude.

[BigGrecian]

Andy_20
Notice your posting in the Professional Pilot Training Forum as well.
Looking at becoming a pilot or FI in the civilian world after returning to work in the RAF.
How are you going to keep current?
I would imagine you'll end up with your licences working in the RAF doing no real development of your Civilian flying skills - and to what end?

Just a little unsure of your motives?

[Andy_20]

The only reason i am staying within the RAF is to fund my flying, so theres my motive atm, i do like my job, but i want more than just engineering!

Allan907 if your not going to post anything that helps, id appreciate it if you didnt post anything... its sarcastic kno-bbers like you which dont help anyone and disturb people from finding out relevant information... I do not see what concern of yours it is for me being committed to my present job... probably because i wasnt born with a silver spoon coming out of my arse, unlike some, i have had to work for what i want to achieve!

[Tigs2]

Andy
All Aircrew, Silver spoon or not have had to work to get where they are (and work bl***y hard too). Me thinks Allan was just having a bit of banter and for what he has written probably doesnt deserve to be called a Knobber. Lighten up or you'll die of stress long before you get your CPL/ATPL.

[AllTrimDoubt]

Originally Posted by Andy_20

The only reason i am staying within the RAF is to fund my flying... I do not see what concern of yours it is for me being committed to my present job...

I think it is of every concern. Most people in ALL 3 Services - across the spectrum of commissioned/non-commissioned - are working bl**dy hard because of overstretch. And they have to work even harder because of selfish idiots like you whose ONLY concern is "what's in it for me" and then proposes a year off whilst everyone works even harder to cover your holiday. No way fella - if you worked for me the choice would be a simple one!

And if you were servicing my a/c I'd have a good look at the supervisory chain too!

And just to round off, I'm not sure - with your attitude - you'd fit into any cockpit environment - military or civil.

There - does THAT help?