VGS - Can you Nav?
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Scotty,
I never said the VGS world is perfect, just that on the whole it's a great organisation and i'm very gratefull for the free flying and the previlige to fly in one of her Maj's a/c!
Whats your mum cooking you for tea!! Maybe you might have a can of Murphy's with it if you were old enough, because your not bitter! Not.
I never said the VGS world is perfect, just that on the whole it's a great organisation and i'm very gratefull for the free flying and the previlige to fly in one of her Maj's a/c!
Whats your mum cooking you for tea!! Maybe you might have a can of Murphy's with it if you were old enough, because your not bitter! Not.
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My mothers dead thank you.......childest response i see from you there.
Im allowed to have my opinion and state facts on a public forum if you dont like it thwen simple:
a) ignore it and dont post in response
b) dont be a part of it
I was willing to retract what i said but not now, i dont see why i am trying to put something across that i said about 20 posts ago, what i said is true, it was told to me buy the ex FSO which i dont think any of you would question if you dont like it PM me and i will get you his mobile hnumber to ring and ask him!
Im allowed to have my opinion and state facts on a public forum if you dont like it thwen simple:
a) ignore it and dont post in response
b) dont be a part of it
I was willing to retract what i said but not now, i dont see why i am trying to put something across that i said about 20 posts ago, what i said is true, it was told to me buy the ex FSO which i dont think any of you would question if you dont like it PM me and i will get you his mobile hnumber to ring and ask him!
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Instead of denigrating this young man by ganging up on him in this rather bullyish manner, take him up on his offer. PM the chap get said experts mobile number and call him and get the gen from the horses mouth......just a thought on how to stop this playground squabble
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Gentlemen or perhaps Ladies is more appropriate,
I wish some of you would just grow up and remember that wherever you are from, however old you are, what you are doing is on a public forum and is certainly not shedding VGS, ATC or the wider military community in anything like a good light, enough said,
Places on flak jacket,
Kindest Regards,
HEDP
I wish some of you would just grow up and remember that wherever you are from, however old you are, what you are doing is on a public forum and is certainly not shedding VGS, ATC or the wider military community in anything like a good light, enough said,
Places on flak jacket,
Kindest Regards,
HEDP
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Scotty, please do everyone a favour and stop your drivel, as you obviously don’t have a clue about anything. As is previously mentioned I’m fairly sure your stories are tuck shop gossip. I hate been petty, but I think you may struggle to talk to the ex-FSO officer on Linton’s VGS. Its been the same fella for the last 15 or so years and the fella before him has nothing to do with the ATC anymore.
My experience of the VGS system has been nothing but professional and safe. We all work very hard (for free) and are totally dedicated to the cause. During my 9 years on a VGS I have only seen 1 very minor incident. On the other hand, I’ve had a PPL for a much shorter time, but have seen many more bent aeroplanes sat in the hangar of my local flying club resulting from foolish incidents.
I’m not saying its perfect, as in any walk of life you get the plonkas, but I know for certain on my VGS they didn’t last for more than a couple of weeks. I’m also fairly sure that if anyone did slip through the net they would be dealt with by ACCGS during a standardisation trip.
Going back to the original question of can VGS pilots/instructors nav?- Yes, within the scope of our tasking. I do however think the system could be tweaked and the Transit Qualification course or something similar be made compulsory for all instructors.
My experience of the VGS system has been nothing but professional and safe. We all work very hard (for free) and are totally dedicated to the cause. During my 9 years on a VGS I have only seen 1 very minor incident. On the other hand, I’ve had a PPL for a much shorter time, but have seen many more bent aeroplanes sat in the hangar of my local flying club resulting from foolish incidents.
I’m not saying its perfect, as in any walk of life you get the plonkas, but I know for certain on my VGS they didn’t last for more than a couple of weeks. I’m also fairly sure that if anyone did slip through the net they would be dealt with by ACCGS during a standardisation trip.
Going back to the original question of can VGS pilots/instructors nav?- Yes, within the scope of our tasking. I do however think the system could be tweaked and the Transit Qualification course or something similar be made compulsory for all instructors.
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Yeah fair enough, that all went a little far.
What are peoples opinions of the VGS world in general though? I know we do have this "pre madonna" look to us and I myself can see this in a lot of places. Mostly though it is because most of us haven't made it to be RAF pilots and suddenly we get an aircraft to fly for free fro the RAF. This is great and standards are useually kept very high, much higher than a lot of flying clubs and BGA clubs.
There are obviously some individuals that spoil this, but there really isn't any way of stopping it as you will always get "Loose Cannons".
What are peoples opinions of the VGS world in general though? I know we do have this "pre madonna" look to us and I myself can see this in a lot of places. Mostly though it is because most of us haven't made it to be RAF pilots and suddenly we get an aircraft to fly for free fro the RAF. This is great and standards are useually kept very high, much higher than a lot of flying clubs and BGA clubs.
There are obviously some individuals that spoil this, but there really isn't any way of stopping it as you will always get "Loose Cannons".
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Now that things have calmed down,
Actually I was interested in whether additional staff would be required? I am already a service pilot, although rotary, with Chipmunk experience in the dim and distant past. I have enquired about AEF before but there was never one close enough, anything in the center or east of England and how would I go about enquiring?
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HEDP
Actually I was interested in whether additional staff would be required? I am already a service pilot, although rotary, with Chipmunk experience in the dim and distant past. I have enquired about AEF before but there was never one close enough, anything in the center or east of England and how would I go about enquiring?
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HEDP
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Have a look at http://www.aircadets.org/links.html, there's a few VGS' on here.
I'm sure any VGS would welcome someone with your experience.
Please don't read into some of these posts too much.
Have a look at http://www.aircadets.org/links.html, there's a few VGS' on here.
I'm sure any VGS would welcome someone with your experience.
Please don't read into some of these posts too much.
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I know we do have this "pre madonna" look to us and I myself can see this in a lot of places.
I don't normally pick on people for spelling on here [not enough hours in a day - ed], but that variation on prima donna was priceless, cheers
Hope there's no hard feelings mate...
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Spent about 8 years VGS flying when I was in the RAF, got into it after meeting a VGS type at the Eastern Regionals, only stopped a couple of years ago due to girlie pressures which was a bit odd as she was a VGS CI when we met!
Had a ball, met some of the best people, all thoroughly dedicated and hard working, not perfect by any means but then of course I clearly am
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The VGS system is not about Comps, cross country or aero's but giving young people access to something most could only dream about, yes It is a sausage machine, but the system has never pretended to be anything else. On both the VGS's I flew with the FSC's were exactly what I would expect of a teeneager; adventurous, robust and hearty with a thoroughly healthy outlook to life and it was up to us adults to keep the little blighters in check and furthermore, I would argue that it is exactly this type of character we should foster.
Now that I've got my life sorted I intend to go back and start again with my local VGS and continue where I left off. Might have to drug the wench though
Had a ball, met some of the best people, all thoroughly dedicated and hard working, not perfect by any means but then of course I clearly am
!The VGS system is not about Comps, cross country or aero's but giving young people access to something most could only dream about, yes It is a sausage machine, but the system has never pretended to be anything else. On both the VGS's I flew with the FSC's were exactly what I would expect of a teeneager; adventurous, robust and hearty with a thoroughly healthy outlook to life and it was up to us adults to keep the little blighters in check and furthermore, I would argue that it is exactly this type of character we should foster.
Now that I've got my life sorted I intend to go back and start again with my local VGS and continue where I left off. Might have to drug the wench though
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If I were a parent now I would be more concerned by 15,16, 17 year old kids getting pissed the night before in the mess and if I had a daughter, you could bet she wouldnt get anywhere near a VGS, I've seen plenty of that going on too. But then again, they gonna do it anyway and I suppose the back of a 4 1/2 tonner or a winch, land rover, glider, parachute store, (delete as applicable) is a variation on a knacked old citreon saxo on the beach boulevard...
If we were, you neglected to add the Adj's desk.
Priceless
I've just read this thread for the first time and page three onwards is just hilarious.
The subject should have led to a sensible discussion and then put to bed. Instead we had Kevin the teenager trying to defend himself against a much more literate and knowledgeable adversary. I could almost picture him sat at his computer with steam coming out of his ears. Brilliant.
Scotty, for the record, I have offered you advise before and I feel it is time for some more. Don't ever reveal your true identity, because you WILL regret it! If you are looking for a career in military aviation then don't ever be dragged into something like this again, be it in real life or on Pprune. I'm afraid you made yourself look like a real @rse.
I got where I am today by knowing when to just shut up and listen to those who know more than me. Oh, and with a modicum of flying ability but lets not go there!
However, Scotty, if you do get dragged into it again I really want to be there to read it.
For the record, I did a BGT and didn't go back as an instructor. Does that make me an insufferable stroker?!
BV
The subject should have led to a sensible discussion and then put to bed. Instead we had Kevin the teenager trying to defend himself against a much more literate and knowledgeable adversary. I could almost picture him sat at his computer with steam coming out of his ears. Brilliant.
Scotty, for the record, I have offered you advise before and I feel it is time for some more. Don't ever reveal your true identity, because you WILL regret it! If you are looking for a career in military aviation then don't ever be dragged into something like this again, be it in real life or on Pprune. I'm afraid you made yourself look like a real @rse.
I got where I am today by knowing when to just shut up and listen to those who know more than me. Oh, and with a modicum of flying ability but lets not go there!
However, Scotty, if you do get dragged into it again I really want to be there to read it.
For the record, I did a BGT and didn't go back as an instructor. Does that make me an insufferable stroker?!
BV
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I guess that all depends on whether or not you tried to big yourself up in front of a bunch of people who knew what they were doing.
Don't get me wrong, we had no quarrel with those who did the course and went on their merry way. We just couldn't stand the ones that came back and tried to tell us how we should be doing things. Those are the people that tend to get short shrift.
Don't get me wrong, we had no quarrel with those who did the course and went on their merry way. We just couldn't stand the ones that came back and tried to tell us how we should be doing things. Those are the people that tend to get short shrift.