RAF Hercules was shot down - Reid
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Considering the platform, it's capabilities, and it's mission, what CAN be done?
A Herc can't run away quickly, is too big to be stealthy, and can't carry out most of it's ops from high altitude.
What's left?
A Herc can't run away quickly, is too big to be stealthy, and can't carry out most of it's ops from high altitude.
What's left?
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The use of foam filled tanks could have helped. Flying low with flight deck armour is false security as the biggest target is a fuel filled alley wing!!
Why no foam??? Cost??
All the USAF SF aircraft have it fitted, even the choppers!!
(They have even found rounds in the tanks when later servicing them)
I did raise the subject when I served with 'Them'.
All so silly and such a waste as many of us always said fuel tanks where a massive risk!!
Might not have been small / medium arms fire and could have been a missile in which case your f***ed!
Why no foam??? Cost??
All the USAF SF aircraft have it fitted, even the choppers!!
(They have even found rounds in the tanks when later servicing them)
I did raise the subject when I served with 'Them'.
All so silly and such a waste as many of us always said fuel tanks where a massive risk!!
Might not have been small / medium arms fire and could have been a missile in which case your f***ed!
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There is a balance to be made. Certainly in Vietnam transport aircraft were lost due to small arms fire taking out the pilot and the Huey crews used body armour. Without wishing to turn the thing into an armoured bathtub there must be a need for some kind of personnal protection to pilots operating at low altitude.
As regards higher levels - in the case of the Vietnam war the U.S aircraft were operating against a sophisticated air defence network with the ability to fix damage sustained quite quickly.
Over Iraq however I guess the problem is MANPADS and AAA fire
which to some degree altitude cannot stop but can allow thinking time in which to react. The sad thing is that it's war zone and no matter what reports are done into it - it won't bring back the crew or indeed get rid of the chances of it happening again.
As regards higher levels - in the case of the Vietnam war the U.S aircraft were operating against a sophisticated air defence network with the ability to fix damage sustained quite quickly.
Over Iraq however I guess the problem is MANPADS and AAA fire
which to some degree altitude cannot stop but can allow thinking time in which to react. The sad thing is that it's war zone and no matter what reports are done into it - it won't bring back the crew or indeed get rid of the chances of it happening again.
I’m surprised to find myself saying this, but I do believe that the RAF and the MoD are to be congratulated on their handling of this very sensitive BoI. I have studied the published Findings, and both organisations seem to have made sterling efforts to publish everything they possibly could, apparently only censoring stuff that is genuinely operationally sensitive. Of course, in a free democracy, we should expect nothing less. But I have to say that their openness came as a welcome surprise to this ancient, and occasionally jaundiced, aviation observer.
I didn’t know any of the people involved, but I almost feel as if I do because I have been involved on the periphery since they died in January. Indeed, at the memorial flypast at RIAT, I was privileged to have been able to quote the very moving words of OC Lyneham. What does seem clear is that they were truly a top bunch - and I believe that the openness displayed by their Service does them and the Service nothing but credit.
We are surely all blessed to have served alongside, or been served by, such outstanding people.
I didn’t know any of the people involved, but I almost feel as if I do because I have been involved on the periphery since they died in January. Indeed, at the memorial flypast at RIAT, I was privileged to have been able to quote the very moving words of OC Lyneham. What does seem clear is that they were truly a top bunch - and I believe that the openness displayed by their Service does them and the Service nothing but credit.
We are surely all blessed to have served alongside, or been served by, such outstanding people.
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I understand one of the crew was decorated posthumously too, for a previous mission.
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Without wshing to divert from this thread, An apology, My experience is not as current as yours. I had no knowledge of a Mod to the OSB.
Note to :Safeware
Without wshing to divert from this thread, An apology, My experience is not as current as yours. I had no knowledge of a Mod to the OSB.
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Not a C130 or a Chinook guy. Never heard of the 'Wells Manoeuvre', but I guess as a slow mover (initially) we have SOP's for the SA band to minimise the timespent there.
RIP Guys, you will be missed..
RIP Guys, you will be missed..
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Fighting 47th
Dear all
Long since 'departed the fix', but I knew several of the crew and I wish them all that they would have wished themselves in their long sleep - and the very best to those they left behind.
No words of mine could possibly do them justice.
Nili nomen roboris omen
May your God bless you, keep you and give you peace.
Gadget
Long since 'departed the fix', but I knew several of the crew and I wish them all that they would have wished themselves in their long sleep - and the very best to those they left behind.
No words of mine could possibly do them justice.
Nili nomen roboris omen
May your God bless you, keep you and give you peace.
Gadget
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For those of you who want to know what BEADWINDOW means.
However, if you want to learn more about how to fly your aircraft when operating inside a SA threat band you will be able to find all the tactics you need here
However, if you want to learn more about how to fly your aircraft when operating inside a SA threat band you will be able to find all the tactics you need here
That's being polite.
At best, Southside and VecVecthingy are a couple of walter mitty types (or maybe one sad spotter using 2 usernames from the comfort of his bedroom...)
At worst, a very irresponsible SAC/rating who has twocked some SOPs or FRCs from his bosses' desk.
At best, Southside and VecVecthingy are a couple of walter mitty types (or maybe one sad spotter using 2 usernames from the comfort of his bedroom...)
At worst, a very irresponsible SAC/rating who has twocked some SOPs or FRCs from his bosses' desk.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twocked
Everything that an oxygen thief needs to know about modern diction...
Everything that an oxygen thief needs to know about modern diction...
