Movers technical knowledge and 747 damage photos.
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Movers technical knowledge and 747 damage photos.
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It takes a very 'special' type to be a mover.
I remember one incident (of many) when an aircraft was being loaded on disused-centre, weather conditions excellent, (no rain, no fog, unltd viz). Two vehicles, an Atlas Loader and a large forklift truck operating on the airfield loading the aircraft. Vehicles driving in opposite directions, closing speed must have been 30mph max, thinking time hours, pavement wide enough to take a C17. You've guessed it - the 2 collided head on !! FOD, oil, etc all over the place and the area closed for hours for photos, clean up etc.
What a bunch of idiots.
Why oh why do they let them (movers) anywhere an airfield or trust them with anything that moves ?!!!
I remember one incident (of many) when an aircraft was being loaded on disused-centre, weather conditions excellent, (no rain, no fog, unltd viz). Two vehicles, an Atlas Loader and a large forklift truck operating on the airfield loading the aircraft. Vehicles driving in opposite directions, closing speed must have been 30mph max, thinking time hours, pavement wide enough to take a C17. You've guessed it - the 2 collided head on !! FOD, oil, etc all over the place and the area closed for hours for photos, clean up etc.
What a bunch of idiots.
Why oh why do they let them (movers) anywhere an airfield or trust them with anything that moves ?!!!
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The sad thing is it isn't the first, and it won't be the last frame the collective retard element bend. Is it no wonder they are disliked by most who have to fix or drive aeroplanes.
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Many years ago, a visiting EP3 Orion was operating out of sunny Wyton. Now the EP3 had a snag, that if I recall needed some serious attention to one of the engines. Arrangements were made to allow the visitors the use of a hangar normally home to the mighty 'rod. Anyway, come the time to move the aircraft, the tug turned up from MT with a couple of spare MT drivers along for the show. The visitors, not realising who these guys were, hooked up to the tug and allowed them to start moving the aircraft to the shed. The spare drivers were controlling the move and watching the wingtips. Ah I can hear you say, what a recipe for disaster - not far off. Well fortunately for the visitors, some of the RAF groundcrew realised what was happening and managed to prevent the idiots taking the top couple of feet off the tail as it came into the hangar.
Not Movers I know, but not far off.
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Not Movers I know, but not far off.
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Ho ho,
Well off we go again....
Perhaps the Fairford prang highlighted the strain on the AT fleet we currently feel and there are no excuses for aircraft incidents full stop. But accidents do happen.
Well then perhaps recent ALM/winching accident or the C130 heavy landing or the teccie scissor lift incident proves that were all fallible.
No blame should be thrown around without looking at the world around us. Were all feeling the strain and bitching about it does no favour to the RAF as a whole other than those with grievances against others !
MM
Well off we go again....
Perhaps the Fairford prang highlighted the strain on the AT fleet we currently feel and there are no excuses for aircraft incidents full stop. But accidents do happen.
Well then perhaps recent ALM/winching accident or the C130 heavy landing or the teccie scissor lift incident proves that were all fallible.
No blame should be thrown around without looking at the world around us. Were all feeling the strain and bitching about it does no favour to the RAF as a whole other than those with grievances against others !
MM
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It's not as if it's an isolated incident, MM. Movers have bent far more AT aircraft than aircrew ever have.
must be why they're on the lowest pay band then, with this 'wealth' of 'technical' knowledge...
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Incident vs Accident
MM,
Let's not take the Open & Honest No Blame culture too far here. Yes, accidents do happen - but where most Movements are concerned they are anything but. Maybe it is due to overstretch, but if so there comes a time when someone on that side of the house has to have the balls to say " Enough's enough!"
If any aircrew performed as consitently badly as the Movements trade does, we'd be dead in a week.
That's the difference. We learn from our mistakes because the personal consequences are somewhat more pronounced.
GSS
Let's not take the Open & Honest No Blame culture too far here. Yes, accidents do happen - but where most Movements are concerned they are anything but. Maybe it is due to overstretch, but if so there comes a time when someone on that side of the house has to have the balls to say " Enough's enough!"
If any aircrew performed as consitently badly as the Movements trade does, we'd be dead in a week.
That's the difference. We learn from our mistakes because the personal consequences are somewhat more pronounced.
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If you have read my previous posts you will know I'm not one to bite (much), and I will carry on the tradition. Personally I'm not one to dwell on the lack of professionalism from others or the lack of service expected as i have experienced the worse from aircrew down the lowest microbe (mover) in the RAF. Mover's may well be the bane of many a tradesman but just remember that yours and others childish whinges do nothing more in the "bigger picture" of things than make you look a childish prat and drive an already big wedge between the few of us who do our best to provide the service that you expected from us..
MM
If you have read my previous posts you will know I'm not one to bite (much), and I will carry on the tradition. Personally I'm not one to dwell on the lack of professionalism from others or the lack of service expected as i have experienced the worse from aircrew down the lowest microbe (mover) in the RAF. Mover's may well be the bane of many a tradesman but just remember that yours and others childish whinges do nothing more in the "bigger picture" of things than make you look a childish prat and drive an already big wedge between the few of us who do our best to provide the service that you expected from us..
MM
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Waiting for more photos
How long do we have to wait for the 2MT v BZN Terminal photos
OK so it was 2MT that did it, but blame the muppets anyway as they should have been there to marshall the driver in - oh, hang on a minute, they were there - and they were marshalling the driver in!!!!!
OK so it was 2MT that did it, but blame the muppets anyway as they should have been there to marshall the driver in - oh, hang on a minute, they were there - and they were marshalling the driver in!!!!!
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If movers stopped running into aircraft and causing untold grief to others by doing so, you would not be tarred in this fashion. Like I said, it's not exactly an isolated incident, is it?? I have personally witnessed, on many occasions, movers driving like complete cocky tw@ts around aircraft. It is simply stupidity and carelessness. It is telling that nobody was surprised when they learned of this incident.
If we aircrew displayed such negligence we would not remain in a flying appointment very long. Do not try to defend the indefensible - you would serve your cause much better by putting your own house in order.
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If we aircrew displayed such negligence we would not remain in a flying appointment very long. Do not try to defend the indefensible - you would serve your cause much better by putting your own house in order.
16B
"But just looks like a little bump. My car has bigger dents".
A little bump. Well muppet, thet pitot probe is probably worth more than your car and - oh wait. That looks like a pressure hull tear - and it's close to a critical area of hull strength.. Now that's really big money!
What worries me is that the guy who made this statement has little knowlegde of aircraft operations. But worse, he may be the type of guy who wouldn't report his own mistakes.
A little bump. Well muppet, thet pitot probe is probably worth more than your car and - oh wait. That looks like a pressure hull tear - and it's close to a critical area of hull strength.. Now that's really big money!
What worries me is that the guy who made this statement has little knowlegde of aircraft operations. But worse, he may be the type of guy who wouldn't report his own mistakes.
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If you feel so strongly about the professionalism of our trade why don't you have the balls to stand up and do something about it rather than whinge like spoilt brats on the internet ! Oh I thought not ...
I tell you, if you lot seem to hate us so much why spend all your time trawling the movs website ! Must have too much time on your hands.. Me I'm too busy to spend all day inflating my ego !
Have a nice day... C U all in Afghanistan
MM
P.S I know I bit.......hook line sinker ;-)
I tell you, if you lot seem to hate us so much why spend all your time trawling the movs website ! Must have too much time on your hands.. Me I'm too busy to spend all day inflating my ego !
Have a nice day... C U all in Afghanistan
MM
P.S I know I bit.......hook line sinker ;-)
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I note that most of the posters on this thread have neglected to give us a hint in their profiles as to their occupations. MM is a Mover (obviously) and 16B an Albert pilot ( I believe) so he at least is entitled to have a go at Movers if he feels the need.
Then we have a couple of ATCO guys ( one with a PPL no less ). Well they really do know whats happening all around them don't they. Yeah right.
A couple of dodgy engineers of no specific persuasion though one of them may be a submariner.....jeezus !!
As for the rest...........they just seem to want to kick a guy when he's down just for the sake of it.
I'm sure that the poor unfortunate who was involved in this incident feels really good about it and really appreciates all the attention that you lot are giving him.
Get a life !!
Then we have a couple of ATCO guys ( one with a PPL no less ). Well they really do know whats happening all around them don't they. Yeah right.
A couple of dodgy engineers of no specific persuasion though one of them may be a submariner.....jeezus !!
As for the rest...........they just seem to want to kick a guy when he's down just for the sake of it.
I'm sure that the poor unfortunate who was involved in this incident feels really good about it and really appreciates all the attention that you lot are giving him.
Get a life !!