Movers technical knowledge and 747 damage photos.
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Good idea but ..... I'm sure that you can do sufficient damage to ground an aircraft with a low speed prang. The problem is with lunatic drivers with no common sense or no ablility to use the common sense that they do have.
Good idea but ..... I'm sure that you can do sufficient damage to ground an aircraft with a low speed prang. The problem is with lunatic drivers with no common sense or no ablility to use the common sense that they do have.
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Everyone makes mistakes, some more costly than others but we're all human (unless your a fast jet pilot, then your god 
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Its just another statistic in a big book somewhere and I'm sure the chap feels bad enough without everyone on the forum berating him.
)Its just another statistic in a big book somewhere and I'm sure the chap feels bad enough without everyone on the forum berating him.
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Your're quite right Zippy, I thought I had made an error once but I was wrong.
Anyway, back to the subject of berating movers, it is fun after all, particularly when they bite so readily.
If they had been good, they would have been aircrew and have a right to post on this forum..........discuss
DS
Anyway, back to the subject of berating movers, it is fun after all, particularly when they bite so readily.
If they had been good, they would have been aircrew and have a right to post on this forum..........discuss
DS
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Whilst it would be an ALM nightmare the C17's seem to have it squared away. My understanding is that the "baggage crushers" are not allowed near the beast unless under the supervision of an ALM
More work maybe for us proffesionals but would stop the numpties bashing the airframes, with the added bonus that the aircraft would be loaded correctly instead of the usual bag o sh1te we get presented with
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
More work maybe for us proffesionals but would stop the numpties bashing the airframes, with the added bonus that the aircraft would be loaded correctly instead of the usual bag o sh1te we get presented with
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Clumsy movers, its what speed tape and tywraps were invented for.
One thing which always used to concern me was the way the forward hold door was often opened so quickly after the aircraft was on the chocks.
Why?
Because there was no-one to check that some crook hadn't put something on the aircraft during loading, then tipped off his mate to be there to collect it on arrival.
So if ever the door was opened after the air engineer had checked that it was shut at the departure aerodrome, I would stop what we were doing there and then and have whoever had opened it investigated.
Why?
Because there was no-one to check that some crook hadn't put something on the aircraft during loading, then tipped off his mate to be there to collect it on arrival.
So if ever the door was opened after the air engineer had checked that it was shut at the departure aerodrome, I would stop what we were doing there and then and have whoever had opened it investigated.
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ABIW,
Why does the Ice Cream Sqdn need SNCO Mover involvment if the ALM has sole responsibilty for the frame???
The Flying club didnt want Movers on the C17 initially, until they realised that after chox in, the ALM wouldn't be on the same fun bus to the hotel with his fellow crewmates...because he would have to supervise offload/onload...!!!
Beagle,
Fwd hold door was opened more often than not so quickly, because of the amount of VIP's that were often carried...esp on the old Dulles sched...or even Comp Pax bags..!!
But forgive me, i really think it was to assist the AIRCREW in getting their overweight crew bags including duty free off first. After all it's your train we play with....thought the idea was to look after the customer,, ie the PASSENGERS, not you !! because you have had an oh so busy 4 day route....!!!
I recall a V wing crew at a secret Lincs base getting caught by customs for doing what you say....!!!
There are way's and means to get around any system..!!!
Also, in my time, i cant ever recall the Air Eng checking the holds prior to departure, my job as team leader was to notify the ALM the holds were ready to be checked....he/she then did a check !!!
Why does the Ice Cream Sqdn need SNCO Mover involvment if the ALM has sole responsibilty for the frame???
The Flying club didnt want Movers on the C17 initially, until they realised that after chox in, the ALM wouldn't be on the same fun bus to the hotel with his fellow crewmates...because he would have to supervise offload/onload...!!!
Beagle,
Fwd hold door was opened more often than not so quickly, because of the amount of VIP's that were often carried...esp on the old Dulles sched...or even Comp Pax bags..!!
But forgive me, i really think it was to assist the AIRCREW in getting their overweight crew bags including duty free off first. After all it's your train we play with....thought the idea was to look after the customer,, ie the PASSENGERS, not you !! because you have had an oh so busy 4 day route....!!!
I recall a V wing crew at a secret Lincs base getting caught by customs for doing what you say....!!!
There are way's and means to get around any system..!!!
Also, in my time, i cant ever recall the Air Eng checking the holds prior to departure, my job as team leader was to notify the ALM the holds were ready to be checked....he/she then did a check !!!
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Even with the loadmattress supervising the muppets it still doesn't stop the retards from damaging the C17. Just ask the crew who took one to HM Open Prison MPA. Atlas type thing lowered onto the ramp and nice skin tear ensued. It seems you ain't safe, no matter how much supervision you give these fools.
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Sixteen Blades - I am afraid that your comments of behaviour and accountability don't really match past conduct. There are a great number of instances where aircraft have been damaged and aircrew killed for no apparant reason. Your simply very wide of the mark to suggest that aircrew always come clean - sometimes they do but often there is just a smoking hole.
As for the other comments - we are indeed spending large sums of money on charter aircraft - however rather than buying
747's - we should buy more Tristar's to bridge the gap with the long term intention that some fly to St Athan for spares reclaim.
The cost of a secondhand Tristar is somewhere near $3 million -
far cheaper to do this than keep the RAF's contribution to global
warming - the Ten flying for much longer !
As for the other comments - we are indeed spending large sums of money on charter aircraft - however rather than buying
747's - we should buy more Tristar's to bridge the gap with the long term intention that some fly to St Athan for spares reclaim.
The cost of a secondhand Tristar is somewhere near $3 million -
far cheaper to do this than keep the RAF's contribution to global
warming - the Ten flying for much longer !
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LL I think you will find that the ALM on C17s DOES stay with the aircraft to unload, it may not be the flying loadie but there will be a loadie no matter what. So Im afraid your reason for being in this case isnt so.
oh and so far we have no loadmatresses!
oh and so far we have no loadmatresses!
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Sixteen Blades - I am afraid that your comments of behaviour and accountability don't really match past conduct. There are a great number of instances where aircraft have been damaged and aircrew killed for no apparant reason. Your simply very wide of the mark to suggest that aircrew always come clean - sometimes they do but often there is just a smoking hole.
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You will find that they are now WSOP (Cmn).
my advice......
Stand back and watch the Teddies fly
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Sixteen Blades - Your comments are that other trade groups are of some lesser importance because they occasionally bend things. However aircrew often bend things and kill themselves in the process. Often if you read the reports there are clear signs that the crews have deviated from common sense on more than one occasion in the past . This is about the process of loading and unloading aircraft which should be a safe business - accidents do happen and should be avoided by all means - you are however doing yourself no favours by thinking you are anything better than any of the other citizens that inhabit planet earth - or do you never make any errors?
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Riley,
I see where you sentiments come from, but remember something - Flying is an inherently risky activity, for many reasons of which human factors are included.
However, putting a box into a hole without damaging said hole should not be
(for a sensible human being)
Oh, Really? Maybe no-one's noticed then 'cos that's not something I 'often' do during a normal day's work, nor anyone I know, for that matter.
GSS
I see where you sentiments come from, but remember something - Flying is an inherently risky activity, for many reasons of which human factors are included.
However, putting a box into a hole without damaging said hole should not be
(for a sensible human being)
aircrew often bend things and kill themselves
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Aeroplanes are often complicated beasts which are made up of many moving or stressed parts which have a tendancy to fail when least expected/wanted. As such failure or damage to said collection of items is expected with use, often aided by our feathered friends not getting out of the way. Operator error also accounts for many failures/much damage, but we all should be able to learn from our mistakes. What can't be excused is some dullard ramming a set of steps into the side of something the size of a 747, it's not as if you can't see the damn thing and the doors are quite clearly noticable.
What is the excuse offered for this latest in a long line of muppet cock ups? "It suddenly jumped back 15 feet and then lurched sideways!"
I think the description "movements" says quite enough about the trade if you ask me.
What is the excuse offered for this latest in a long line of muppet cock ups? "It suddenly jumped back 15 feet and then lurched sideways!"
I think the description "movements" says quite enough about the trade if you ask me.