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On the plus side, if we do end up rotary just think of all that valuable time we've spent holding and learning to fly tucano and the 2 years of Shawbury ahead of us before we get to the front line. Compared to the guys we graduated IOT with (and went Shawbury straight away) who are already on wocca OCUs, we are now 2 years behind them with nothing to show for it except an expert working knowledge of the ops desks of various FJ sqns and the ability to perform stall turns badly.
Still, at least we are not trying to join this year as a pilot which would be rubbish as they are taking about 5 pilots through OASC I've heard!
Who is Uncle G anyway?
Still, at least we are not trying to join this year as a pilot which would be rubbish as they are taking about 5 pilots through OASC I've heard!
Who is Uncle G anyway?
Restreaming and flying
Lets not forget there are plenty of people out there who would love to fly absolutely anything - be it FJ, rotary or multi-engine, but can't for one reason or another. Be somewhat grateful for the position you are in now and that you will be flying.
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Is the meeting on the 11th only applicable for the 40 people holding for Valley or will there be a standard re-streaming board for those who subsequently finish Linton, like those due to be on 220 cse for example 
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I should imagine so. The last lot were restreamed en masse, and then the subsequent 5 courses (I think) had individual restreamings at the end of their time at Linton. After that, someone evidently smarter than me decided that the holds were sorted out, and stopped restreaming.
I heard at the time that restreaming was stopped because it was bad for morale. Maybe so, but nowhere near as bad as stopping it then restarting it... I'm sure those on courses 211-214 would have been happier if they knew from the off that this was coming to pass, rather than being on the receiving end of the "no restreaming, place for all of you at Valley" bolleaux.
I heard at the time that restreaming was stopped because it was bad for morale. Maybe so, but nowhere near as bad as stopping it then restarting it... I'm sure those on courses 211-214 would have been happier if they knew from the off that this was coming to pass, rather than being on the receiving end of the "no restreaming, place for all of you at Valley" bolleaux.
Perhaps if there's so much spare capacity at Linton-on-Ouse, they should send all RAF student pilots there to do a common-core BFT course - and then stream them FJ, ME or RW at the end of the course?
No - that'd never catch on.......
No - that'd never catch on.......
BEagle
Good idea, but lets go a bit further - 120 hours on 550hp tail wheel trainers followed by another 120 hours on primitive twin boom jets to sort out the men/women from the boys/girls, then a wings parade followed by streaming for teenage jet jockeys, chopper pilots or multi-engine drivers. (If there is anybody left to stream)
Good idea, but lets go a bit further - 120 hours on 550hp tail wheel trainers followed by another 120 hours on primitive twin boom jets to sort out the men/women from the boys/girls, then a wings parade followed by streaming for teenage jet jockeys, chopper pilots or multi-engine drivers. (If there is anybody left to stream)
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LuckyBreak,
I am someone who wanted nothing more than a FJ 'career', has been to Linton, been restreamed, and loved every minute of life since - didn't mean to sound harsh, but there is life outside of Gp1
I was a product of the 'FJ or bust' culture that existed for a while (although seems to have changed now at UAS-level, at least). It does nobody any favours in the long run. There's nothing wrong with aiming for your own goals, but you have to be realistic in this day-and-age.
No time in the air is wasted - your Linton hrs will have given you skills and awareness that your direct to Rotary/ME counterparts won't have, irrespective of what your hands are doing
and that puts you in a good position regardless, even if it may not seem so right now.
Good luck all,
Uncle G
I am someone who wanted nothing more than a FJ 'career', has been to Linton, been restreamed, and loved every minute of life since - didn't mean to sound harsh, but there is life outside of Gp1
I was a product of the 'FJ or bust' culture that existed for a while (although seems to have changed now at UAS-level, at least). It does nobody any favours in the long run. There's nothing wrong with aiming for your own goals, but you have to be realistic in this day-and-age.
No time in the air is wasted - your Linton hrs will have given you skills and awareness that your direct to Rotary/ME counterparts won't have, irrespective of what your hands are doing
and that puts you in a good position regardless, even if it may not seem so right now.Good luck all,
Uncle G
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Aaahh! Thread hijack by old people!
So Beags - did it work for you? Or are you even older than we fear?
I too have heard someone with a lot of stripes mention redundancy - the alternative being re-streaming (I mean "role confirmation", or "pipeline re-welding", err.. "open heart surgery", or whatever they're calling it now). I am certain redundancy will not be an issue. The bods at the top may be slow, but they're not suicidal.
My money is on a repeat of last time - dump the problem on Strawbs & Cranditz (I mean Oxford), keep re-streaming graduating courses for a year, then re-evaluate.
Flash13 - have you got some spare war paint? I've lost my iron
So Beags - did it work for you? Or are you even older than we fear?
I too have heard someone with a lot of stripes mention redundancy - the alternative being re-streaming (I mean "role confirmation", or "pipeline re-welding", err.. "open heart surgery", or whatever they're calling it now). I am certain redundancy will not be an issue. The bods at the top may be slow, but they're not suicidal.
My money is on a repeat of last time - dump the problem on Strawbs & Cranditz (I mean Oxford), keep re-streaming graduating courses for a year, then re-evaluate.
Flash13 - have you got some spare war paint? I've lost my iron
Err, no - I wasn't a product of the Provost/Vampire era!
125 hr common-core JP course after UAS Chipmunk fun, then AFTS and TWU.
Holding? Yes - did that! About 6 months waiting for Valley, then another 6 months waiting for Brawdy. Although I did a few weeks with the Harrier force in Germany, then had a Hunter refresher at Valley.
Good luck to you all!
125 hr common-core JP course after UAS Chipmunk fun, then AFTS and TWU.
Holding? Yes - did that! About 6 months waiting for Valley, then another 6 months waiting for Brawdy. Although I did a few weeks with the Harrier force in Germany, then had a Hunter refresher at Valley.
Good luck to you all!
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The official word from the man at LOO who all concerned should have heard from by now is as follows, and I quote:
"We don't know for certain that restreaming is happening but there is a meeting on the 11th from the staish concerning those issues."
When pushed the following was alluded to:
"If restreaming is happening, and I'm not telling you that it is, then TGDA are... I mean may... be coming up on the 18th and 19th for the Restreaming boards (that I can't tell you are happening) and that you should probably try not to arrange anything for those days because you may be needed to attend a meeting that I can't tell you about."
Or words to that effect.
Oh why can't they realise that they are messing with people's lives here and that there is no need to keep it all a big secret. IMO as soon as the decision is made it should be made top priority to filter the information down as quickly as possible.
The encouragement to try and make the most out of our hold by doing AT, qualifications and other useful personal/service development is severely hampered by the fact that none of us have any idea where or when we are going to be posted. Dammit, the AT bid has to be in by the 7th.....D'oh!
In answer to the question about future courses, I know the courses currently at Linton are being told that they will be restreamed on graduation.
It's very easy to get fast jet or bust orientated when you have just spent 10 months working chuffing hard to acheive your dreams only to be told that, whilst you are good enough to go and fly the Hawk, your not going to get it purely because of a numbers game. Jeez, I think even getting chopped might have been less painful...at least the carrot wouldn't have been dangling for several months.
The thought that some of the mates who we went through IOT with could just about be getting to captain stage by the time we rock up on a wokka sqn doesn't bear thinking about. Oh how smug they'd be after their fast jet friday tears.
Please don't get the impression I am not grateful for any flying job - indeed I think I am incredibly lucky - its just that when you are allowed to think you're getting a shot at the top, to then have the rug pulled from your feet it's a bit of a shock.
Still, look on the bright side, maybe the briefing (the one with the subject that we can't be told about) is to wish us all luck at Valley, and tell us that we're all pencilled in for a huge Tucano display team? Well, what else are they going to do with them?
So, is there a piss up on the 11th and the 18th/19th? I don't see why not!
"We don't know for certain that restreaming is happening but there is a meeting on the 11th from the staish concerning those issues."
When pushed the following was alluded to:
"If restreaming is happening, and I'm not telling you that it is, then TGDA are... I mean may... be coming up on the 18th and 19th for the Restreaming boards (that I can't tell you are happening) and that you should probably try not to arrange anything for those days because you may be needed to attend a meeting that I can't tell you about."
Or words to that effect.
Oh why can't they realise that they are messing with people's lives here and that there is no need to keep it all a big secret. IMO as soon as the decision is made it should be made top priority to filter the information down as quickly as possible.
The encouragement to try and make the most out of our hold by doing AT, qualifications and other useful personal/service development is severely hampered by the fact that none of us have any idea where or when we are going to be posted. Dammit, the AT bid has to be in by the 7th.....D'oh!
In answer to the question about future courses, I know the courses currently at Linton are being told that they will be restreamed on graduation.
It's very easy to get fast jet or bust orientated when you have just spent 10 months working chuffing hard to acheive your dreams only to be told that, whilst you are good enough to go and fly the Hawk, your not going to get it purely because of a numbers game. Jeez, I think even getting chopped might have been less painful...at least the carrot wouldn't have been dangling for several months.
The thought that some of the mates who we went through IOT with could just about be getting to captain stage by the time we rock up on a wokka sqn doesn't bear thinking about. Oh how smug they'd be after their fast jet friday tears.
Please don't get the impression I am not grateful for any flying job - indeed I think I am incredibly lucky - its just that when you are allowed to think you're getting a shot at the top, to then have the rug pulled from your feet it's a bit of a shock.
Still, look on the bright side, maybe the briefing (the one with the subject that we can't be told about) is to wish us all luck at Valley, and tell us that we're all pencilled in for a huge Tucano display team? Well, what else are they going to do with them?
So, is there a piss up on the 11th and the 18th/19th? I don't see why not!
Some multi-engine cross-over courses were conducted there once. As indeed, in earlier days, they were at Hamble.
Or perhaps it means that they'll offer a full frozen ATPL course to those who are unsuccessful at restreaming? Somehow I can't quite see that - the unsuccessful will probably be encouraged to join a ground branch. Whatever that is....
Or perhaps it means that they'll offer a full frozen ATPL course to those who are unsuccessful at restreaming? Somehow I can't quite see that - the unsuccessful will probably be encouraged to join a ground branch. Whatever that is....
Wooooaaaahhh! Hold on there old chap! I was simply eluding to the fact that at the moment people on the ME short course are going to Oxford - as 45sqn is packed and has only one serviceable aircraft.
Lol 45 is more than packed! Had the pleasure of meeting a chap who ahd been holding for 18 months to do melin..... turned up, did ground school etc, then was told to go hold for another 2 months or so!
At the mo there are a few mexo chaps going to oxford, as there is a fear that sending abbo's straight there would lose their "military ethos" so carefully cultivated by DIOT or OACTU or whatever the hell they call it these days!
Personally, I would be happy enough with life in the wokka fleet (though would prefer a big yellow taxi to something green) but not sure I'd be willing to take that over the island! We shall see, good luck boys!
At the mo there are a few mexo chaps going to oxford, as there is a fear that sending abbo's straight there would lose their "military ethos" so carefully cultivated by DIOT or OACTU or whatever the hell they call it these days!
Personally, I would be happy enough with life in the wokka fleet (though would prefer a big yellow taxi to something green) but not sure I'd be willing to take that over the island! We shall see, good luck boys!
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If/when the guys finishing linton get re educated as to their chsen and previously streamed carear path, how much of a say will they get over their destination?
Lucky Break it's your doctor, and yep it's going to be messy on tuesday night.
Lucky Break it's your doctor, and yep it's going to be messy on tuesday night.
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Gents,
What happened at the meeting? I was on the receiving end last time around and would be interested to hear. Unless you were all told not to say anything....or are all still recovering from the 'celebrations'.
SSOT
What happened at the meeting? I was on the receiving end last time around and would be interested to hear. Unless you were all told not to say anything....or are all still recovering from the 'celebrations'.
SSOT