Growbags on ground-tours?
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Forkbender
You were right the first time.
I've known EESDL for years and he is the textbook example of an arrogant hooray henry.
James Hewitt with wings. If there had been an RAF base near Kensington Palace, Harry would be at Cranwell.
He treated the RAF as a flying club, and his aircraft as a hire car.
and now he's a civvy
Bloody Good Bloke though!
You were right the first time.
I've known EESDL for years and he is the textbook example of an arrogant hooray henry.
James Hewitt with wings. If there had been an RAF base near Kensington Palace, Harry would be at Cranwell.
He treated the RAF as a flying club, and his aircraft as a hire car.
and now he's a civvy
Bloody Good Bloke though!
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Tonkatechie
The great thing with 'Banter' is when people BITE!
The other good thing is that it transgresses all social divides and is a great leveller - an invaluable management/crm tool in the cockpit.
For example, yesterday, I trashed one of my Boss' cars (Evo 8 MR FQ300), told him I f'd up - a tad different from my normal road transport. Do you think in the 5 hrs we spent in each other's company flying around England and Wales he mentioned it? Or, indeed, to the numerous employees of his Race Team, including the 'techies' (or Mechanics as they're called when an 'ology' isn't being awarded) whom, may I add have had the pleasure/honour to witness my flying first hand. I reckon over 140 employees/associates, from all walks of life, are now aware that I can't drive!
One of the texts received was from one of the pro drivers - simple banter - "Leave the driving to the experts, know your limits!!"
I now know the limits of my driving skills and my visa card but, honestly, have no regrets - as my family motto states:
"Live by the Pork Sword, Die by the Pork Sword".
I am just grateful he didn't give me the keys to some of the fast stuff!!
Tonkatechie - do you have a family motto?
Atleast, with this monkey, when you put him into space, he has the commonsense to try and stay there for as long as possible!!
Ok, I've been patient enough, why the effing 'ell do Stackers wear flying suits whilst sleeping down the back of the aircraft???
This results in a shortage of said article, to such an extent that the 'Daily' (good for dusting) has to use some of my old ones rather than buy them off some 'techie' at a carboot sale.
The great thing with 'Banter' is when people BITE!
The other good thing is that it transgresses all social divides and is a great leveller - an invaluable management/crm tool in the cockpit.
For example, yesterday, I trashed one of my Boss' cars (Evo 8 MR FQ300), told him I f'd up - a tad different from my normal road transport. Do you think in the 5 hrs we spent in each other's company flying around England and Wales he mentioned it? Or, indeed, to the numerous employees of his Race Team, including the 'techies' (or Mechanics as they're called when an 'ology' isn't being awarded) whom, may I add have had the pleasure/honour to witness my flying first hand. I reckon over 140 employees/associates, from all walks of life, are now aware that I can't drive!
One of the texts received was from one of the pro drivers - simple banter - "Leave the driving to the experts, know your limits!!"
I now know the limits of my driving skills and my visa card but, honestly, have no regrets - as my family motto states:
"Live by the Pork Sword, Die by the Pork Sword".
I am just grateful he didn't give me the keys to some of the fast stuff!!
Tonkatechie - do you have a family motto?
Atleast, with this monkey, when you put him into space, he has the commonsense to try and stay there for as long as possible!!
Ok, I've been patient enough, why the effing 'ell do Stackers wear flying suits whilst sleeping down the back of the aircraft???
This results in a shortage of said article, to such an extent that the 'Daily' (good for dusting) has to use some of my old ones rather than buy them off some 'techie' at a carboot sale.
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To answer the initial question: simple, don't be so blunt as to get a ground tour, then it's not an issue. I've flown on every tour for the past 14 years - I'm not so brain dead or work-shy as to sit behind a desk for a couple of years twiddling my thumbs along with those too thick to fly.
To state my credentials up front, I spent 19 years flying Her Majesty's finest and fastest before I did my first ground tour. That was in the Main Building, so suits were the required dress. No room on my best pin-stripe for wings, but hey, I didn't feel insecure enough to need that overt display.
I also have a degree in psychology. There's enough material on this thread to keep a conference of psychologists going for a month.
Grow up guys.
The RAF was, and I'm certain still is, a team. No one part functions without all the others. And if you feel the need for a brevet or a pair of wings on your body at all times to let everyone know how good you are, then frankly, you are an underconfident, insecure geek.
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure someone will have present a cogent argument to counter my point of view.
Regards to all.
I also have a degree in psychology. There's enough material on this thread to keep a conference of psychologists going for a month.
Grow up guys.
The RAF was, and I'm certain still is, a team. No one part functions without all the others. And if you feel the need for a brevet or a pair of wings on your body at all times to let everyone know how good you are, then frankly, you are an underconfident, insecure geek.
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure someone will have present a cogent argument to counter my point of view.
Regards to all.
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Flying suit is for flying in, it's not a difficult concept.
Desk flyers know your place when working in Bluntyland/Handbrake House, it's not a difficult concept either.
You are also smelly after you have been flying, so please don't wear them unless you are doing/about to do that flying thing or can manage an 'aircrew shower' before venturing out into Bluntyland.
It put us off our donuts and coffee over in the Tower!
Desk flyers know your place when working in Bluntyland/Handbrake House, it's not a difficult concept either.
You are also smelly after you have been flying, so please don't wear them unless you are doing/about to do that flying thing or can manage an 'aircrew shower' before venturing out into Bluntyland.
It put us off our donuts and coffee over in the Tower!
Maxburner
I do believe you have taken this thread seriously!!!
Or have I been double-bluffed and you actually understand that we all have seen the importance of teamwork in the RAF and know that we are all one big happy family, with each member contributing their own essential skill.................but have decided to call our bluff and imagine that a person not agreeing with such logic would have been taken behind the nearest bike shed a long time ago.
As far as your mind degree goes - shove it up your ar.............."coming dear"!
I do believe you have taken this thread seriously!!!
Or have I been double-bluffed and you actually understand that we all have seen the importance of teamwork in the RAF and know that we are all one big happy family, with each member contributing their own essential skill.................but have decided to call our bluff and imagine that a person not agreeing with such logic would have been taken behind the nearest bike shed a long time ago.
As far as your mind degree goes - shove it up your ar.............."coming dear"!
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EESDL,
Interesting that you say that. Do you feel anger? Telll me what it is you are feeling now.
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As a new civvy he is probably feeling quite lonely at the moment and a bit unsure of himself. He will get used to it though.
Wonder why he's still posting on the Military Forum after some of his previous ?
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EESDL,
Interesting that you say that. Do you feel anger? Telll me what it is you are feeling now.
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As a new civvy he is probably feeling quite lonely at the moment and a bit unsure of himself. He will get used to it though.
Wonder why he's still posting on the Military Forum after some of his previous ?
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I don't usually post many replies, but having worked hard to get my wings, I'm in favour of putting them on blues, DPMs, Shoes, trousers, boots, socks, watches, cars, bikes etc etc etc
Don't worry, I only being serious.
H
Don't worry, I only being serious.
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EESDL
Do you mean those stackers down the back wearing Nomex Loading Suits?
Obviously not the Movers who rarely get to wear a loading suit as they now dress like Pongos on hercs whilst the Pongos wear the Flying Suits!?
Personally I flinched at the decision years ago when Aircrew were allowed to wear Flying Suits in the Messes. To sit next to a Growbag on a Herc base knowing the guy has spilt everything from his breakfast to bloody racasan down his overalls is not very endearing.
Now you are a civvy I presume you go to work in a black flying suit with large yellow bars and a leather jacket viz a viz like Kenny Everett??
Get a life - get over it...
Do you mean those stackers down the back wearing Nomex Loading Suits?
Obviously not the Movers who rarely get to wear a loading suit as they now dress like Pongos on hercs whilst the Pongos wear the Flying Suits!?
Personally I flinched at the decision years ago when Aircrew were allowed to wear Flying Suits in the Messes. To sit next to a Growbag on a Herc base knowing the guy has spilt everything from his breakfast to bloody racasan down his overalls is not very endearing.
Now you are a civvy I presume you go to work in a black flying suit with large yellow bars and a leather jacket viz a viz like Kenny Everett??
Get a life - get over it...
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Widger,
Did you prefer the fixed control surfaces on the non-Rotating chairs?
At least the old fashioned non-Rotating ones were over engineered unlike the new all purpose swing-rock version where you need to weigh in first.
I believe there is a minimum weight limit in case of inadvertent extension and also a maximum in case of unexpected ejection.
Did you prefer the fixed control surfaces on the non-Rotating chairs?
At least the old fashioned non-Rotating ones were over engineered unlike the new all purpose swing-rock version where you need to weigh in first.
I believe there is a minimum weight limit in case of inadvertent extension and also a maximum in case of unexpected ejection.
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Having endured blues for 14 years as a techie I love the fact that for the past 17 years I have been able to enjoy the comfort of my bag on a daily basis
The other most pleasing fact is that the neolithic attitiude displayed by the likes of Blakey is a thing of the past and that aircrew are treated as equals, despite our obvious superiority
, in the Baldrick mess......from my memeory the churlish behaviour of his ilk would not have allowed the situation he alludes to to have occured as the small minority "chimps" always chose to sit else where
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
The other most pleasing fact is that the neolithic attitiude displayed by the likes of Blakey is a thing of the past and that aircrew are treated as equals, despite our obvious superiority
, in the Baldrick mess......from my memeory the churlish behaviour of his ilk would not have allowed the situation he alludes to to have occured as the small minority "chimps" always chose to sit else where all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Still can't get my head around why you guys want to wear greasy overalls all the time rather than smarten up for meal times - Is it a substitute for a comfort blanket??
Knowing you I believe the reason you wear yours constantly is because you don't have an iron?
As for chimps - if you continue in that vein I will tell the world the story of the chimp and the Loadie going on a space shot...
Still can't get my head around why you guys want to wear greasy overalls all the time rather than smarten up for meal times - Is it a substitute for a comfort blanket??
Knowing you I believe the reason you wear yours constantly is because you don't have an iron?
As for chimps - if you continue in that vein I will tell the world the story of the chimp and the Loadie going on a space shot...
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Blakey,
Where would ABIW get grease on his flying suit from.. Maybe of f the doughnuts he was munching on..I reckon the real reason ABIW wears his flying suit is due to the fact he can't fit into blues...
MM
Where would ABIW get grease on his flying suit from.. Maybe of f the doughnuts he was munching on..I reckon the real reason ABIW wears his flying suit is due to the fact he can't fit into blues...
MM