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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 13:55
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Aaah the stimulating conversation then
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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 14:28
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Or is it the brain power within the uniform...........

And as I am not, currently, deployed overseas but am employed within the UK I see no reason why I should not maintain standards rather than drop them. At no point did I comment on spec ops in baseball hats, nor for that matter any of the UK troops deployed in Iraq who started patrolling in regimental headgear not 'tin' hats as part of the hearts and minds ops! Different horses for different courses old son, not blind dogma!
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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 14:55
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We had a USMC back seater at the F4 OCU when I did the course many years ago. Great chap. But what a variety of uniforms he wore - anything from green zoom bag to combat fatigues to what my colleagues rudely termed "That Glenn Miller $hit". Well, they were fighter mates!

I remain to be convinced about hats. One of the last ones I bought (to replace the tatty one which the boss Pete G fed to GH's labrador) cost over £80. However, when that became too worn out I bought one from stores - it cost £12. I'm sure they got the price wrong, but they insisted they were correct.

SD caps are OK, forage caps less so. But berets - OK for onion selling cheese-eating surrender monkeys, but hardly an officer's headwear! Err, except those sand coloured jobs the SAS wear, of course. Very smart you look in them, dear Hereford Hooligans!

I vote for one of those 'Gert Frobe' Prussian helmets with a spike on the top for you, Roly - and a General Patton style chrome-plated coal scuttle for you, SASless!
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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 15:18
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I lean towards the boonie hat style headgear myself....found myself on the carpet more than a few times for not wearing the old style steel pot. The only thing it was good for was boiling water, acting as a bucket, or an impromptu entrenching too. I reckon in close combat one could beat an opponent to death with the thing as well.

Chrome doesn't work....draws attention of those I would wish to avoid. Patton never had a chrome one....just a highly polished helmet liner which he wore in lieu of the steel pot. He also required his troops to wear neckties in combat during the North African campaigns.

The shape of the thing was perfectly designed by the Army so that the rain water dripping off the rear of it....fell squarely down your neck and was so heavy that it would shorten your stance by a few inches over time.....and had a chin strap that was utterly useless thus it was left undone....and then required one hand to hold the thing onto your noggin if you moved faster than a slow walk.

Don't you just love the US Army in their nice pretty Black Berets....cooks, bakers, truck mechanics.....everyone in the whole organization. What a farce.....ask any Ranger what he thinks of the deal? Used to be....one had to earn the beret....Airborne (Maroon), Rangers (Black), and Special Forces (Green). Now it is initial issue for all.
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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 16:05
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But berets - OK for onion selling cheese-eating surrender monkeys, but hardly an officer's headwear! Err, except those sand coloured jobs the SAS wear, of course. Very smart you look in them, dear Hereford Hooligans!
It is a well-known fact that all officers, of any service, look foolish in a beret. They just have no idea how to select, steam and mould a beret, and are incapable of putting it on the head in the correct fashion.

NCOs, on the other hand, particularly in the services where the beret's colour has been earned (sandy/maroon/green), always look very smart in a beret, and the more senior an NCO is, the smarter they look.

I speak as one who started off as a baby officer (and looking like a tw@t in a beret), and on changing service, sensibly dropped into the ranks ...
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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 16:54
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we're saving money? news to me..

Prior to going OOA, got told to change my dog tags for the *quote* 'new style' tag. Filled in forms, waited ages only to receive something very similar to the original article via PSF. The difference? No 'RAF' stamped on the bottom. Perhaps this is some new "conduct after capture, don't tell 'em who you work for" thing.... Next port of call before heading off is clothing stores, get given another set of soldier 95, only this time get told to have the new patches stiched on. Bloody great "ROYAL AIR FORCE" badge. When questioned what it's all about, the (civvy) storeman replies "It's so the pongos know what service you are". I suppose the blue beret (stuffed into trouser pocket), RAF cap badge, and blue rank slides weren't enough of a give away. That and a total disregard for the officer classes of other services, refering to everyone as 'mate'!
Good waste of money that, the next thing you'll be telling me is they're changing the F1250 for some generic clubcard......
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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 17:44
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Well even if they don't guess by your rank they will know by your service number....
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Old 2nd Jun 2005, 18:34
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Name, rank, service number and date of birth.....combined with a Google or Yahoo search...and you are busted!
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engineer(retard),

Certainly do old chap, loved it at first, now think its daft and needs to be consigned to the waste bin and history.
Not worn all the time though, if a Judge removes their wig then out of deference a Barrister is supposed to remove theirs, as we should never be seen to be superior. I also don't wear it when popping out for a sandwhich................

Roland Pulfrew,

The hat, or wig of a Barrister is actually a hang over from very old fashioned ideas of what is fashionable and chic, although it was the silk robes worn at the time of the mourning of the death of Queen Mary which was seized upon by the leaders of the Bar to establish a recognized “uniform.”

Still don’t see what it has to do with maintaining standards in the 21st century.

The case someone else makes about infantry wearing soft hats to defuse tension in places like Basrah etc is a good case in point where a non combat hat DOES indeed have a role to play.
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