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Sorry fellas, let me take that one back if you will. The written word doesn't always convey what's meant and a casual quip can be misunderstood.
SASless and ABIW FWIW, I entirely agree with you. I've seen too many occasions in my world where the 'Format not Content' mentality won out over the 'just do it and do it well' mentality of those who actually get the job done.
SASless and ABIW FWIW, I entirely agree with you. I've seen too many occasions in my world where the 'Format not Content' mentality won out over the 'just do it and do it well' mentality of those who actually get the job done.
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I responded to the above quote as someone seems to think that aircrew are the onlyones who need to concerntrate for hours on end.
Have YOU ever stood on the gate for a shift in the middle of a winters night with no food to keep "blood sugar levels up" I doubt it very much.
how about ATC spending 12 hours awake keeping the airways free from mid air collisions do they not need " high blood sugar levels"?
How about a techie at 4am after being at work 8 hours then going to fix the flying controls or ejection seat on YOUR aircraft? do they not need to be at their peak at all times on duty?
The list can go on and on All trades and jobs are as important as the next DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE ANYTHING DIFFERENT JUST BECAUSE YOU FLY THE PLANE.. You would never get airborne if it was not for the stacker providing the spares or the bowser driver brining fuel to your jet.
Think on they all need to perform to the best of their abilities at ALL times.,
The reason that aircrew were given rations is simple. It is a FACT that energy levels become much lower at certain parts of the 24 hour cycle. Blood suger levels drop, and there is a dramatic decrease in a humans ability to concentrate. The consequences of this are quite clear
Have YOU ever stood on the gate for a shift in the middle of a winters night with no food to keep "blood sugar levels up" I doubt it very much.
how about ATC spending 12 hours awake keeping the airways free from mid air collisions do they not need " high blood sugar levels"?
How about a techie at 4am after being at work 8 hours then going to fix the flying controls or ejection seat on YOUR aircraft? do they not need to be at their peak at all times on duty?
The list can go on and on All trades and jobs are as important as the next DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE ANYTHING DIFFERENT JUST BECAUSE YOU FLY THE PLANE.. You would never get airborne if it was not for the stacker providing the spares or the bowser driver brining fuel to your jet.
Think on they all need to perform to the best of their abilities at ALL times.,
Pigs.
Agree with your last, however, techie on late shift/guard on nights/atc'er late at night can nip into the crewroom for a coffee when they need it. Blokey on an 'x' hour long mission doesn't have that luxury (I'm talking about fast jet crews now - it's what I know) and therefore must get his energy levels up before flying. But if you honestly believe that biscuits or bread are sufficient, then you are sorely mistaken. Five hours of tanking with nothing but a packet of bourbons is not a gross waste of taxpayers money IMHO. I think it's sadly lacking to be honest. If you begrudge me that then you know what.....I'll pay the money back in the morning. Might have to re-mortgage the house though.
BV
Agree with your last, however, techie on late shift/guard on nights/atc'er late at night can nip into the crewroom for a coffee when they need it. Blokey on an 'x' hour long mission doesn't have that luxury (I'm talking about fast jet crews now - it's what I know) and therefore must get his energy levels up before flying. But if you honestly believe that biscuits or bread are sufficient, then you are sorely mistaken. Five hours of tanking with nothing but a packet of bourbons is not a gross waste of taxpayers money IMHO. I think it's sadly lacking to be honest. If you begrudge me that then you know what.....I'll pay the money back in the morning. Might have to re-mortgage the house though.
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I always giggle at the type of post that 'pigs" and the other uninfomed twits offer in here
Those of us who fly for a living accept that some of the perks that we get are "bloody marvelous" however if any one can offer a suitable alternative to inflight rations i will be more than willing to listen, but ponder the following
Friday my crew will fly to Canada, via Iceland, at an averqe cabin altitude of 8000', which will take roughly 10 Hrs 40 mins. We get airbourne mid morning chippenham and land early afternoon gander......when are we supposed to ground feed in that time
Guy's, don't let the green eyed monster cloud your judgement, there is not one aircrew mate RAF wide who agree's with the no food policy for the station guard force but we dont write the rules
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Those of us who fly for a living accept that some of the perks that we get are "bloody marvelous" however if any one can offer a suitable alternative to inflight rations i will be more than willing to listen, but ponder the following
Friday my crew will fly to Canada, via Iceland, at an averqe cabin altitude of 8000', which will take roughly 10 Hrs 40 mins. We get airbourne mid morning chippenham and land early afternoon gander......when are we supposed to ground feed in that time
Guy's, don't let the green eyed monster cloud your judgement, there is not one aircrew mate RAF wide who agree's with the no food policy for the station guard force but we dont write the rules
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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I always giggle at the type of post that 'pigs" and the other uninfomed twits offer in here
whatever.......
Friday my crew will fly to Canada, via Iceland, at an averqe cabin altitude of 8000', which will take roughly 10 Hrs 40 mins. We get airbourne mid morning chippenham and land early afternoon gander......when are we supposed to ground feed in that tim
like all others do if they work 12 hours?
I do not think many people begrudge a crew a hot meal if you read back to the start of the thread the argument about inflight rations started about crews getting butty boxes for the shortest of sorties ie MCT or other small tasks.
And as for ill informed ....and a twit !!!!!!!!
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I can see the sense in there being some form of catering provided to aircrew flying longer trips over normal meal times such as that C-130 slog to Gander mentioned earlier (11 hours - ye gods...). But quite why anyone taking off at, say, 1400 and landing at 1730 in the same time zone should be entitled to anything except a cuppa or two is beyond me.... As were the infamous MCT S1 boxes, most of which I used to leave for the groundies.
The scale of in-flight catering provided to ME aircrew does seem a bit excessive on the whole, I have to agree. But on boring 5hr transit flights to overseas night stops, I used to be quite happy with a mid-trip snack and then a proper meal at wherever we landed. But that wasn't the view of others who would happily pork out in flight to avoid using their not ungenerous subsistence allowance for the purpose intended.
Nowadays if I go somewhere on business, if I have to pay for my own meals at the time, I claim the actual cost back from the company. Typically about €15-20 for an evening meal in Germany. No complicated bluntie paperwork - just fax the receipts at the end of the month.
The scale of in-flight catering provided to ME aircrew does seem a bit excessive on the whole, I have to agree. But on boring 5hr transit flights to overseas night stops, I used to be quite happy with a mid-trip snack and then a proper meal at wherever we landed. But that wasn't the view of others who would happily pork out in flight to avoid using their not ungenerous subsistence allowance for the purpose intended.
Nowadays if I go somewhere on business, if I have to pay for my own meals at the time, I claim the actual cost back from the company. Typically about €15-20 for an evening meal in Germany. No complicated bluntie paperwork - just fax the receipts at the end of the month.
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On the subject of aircrew getting a free lunch, much has been made of crews not being able to get to messes due to flight planning briefing etc and also that the 'free lunch' is only toast etc.
I have nothing against aircrew, or anyone else for that matter, being properly fed but why can't they be expected to provide their own food from home in the form of a butty box the same as the rest of us do. Incidentally having been on the fat albert fleet for many years I don't recall ever seeing toast provided.
In addition why do we still provide food for passengers? Surely it is time we went over to the system that the budget airlines use. Pay as you dine.
I have nothing against aircrew, or anyone else for that matter, being properly fed but why can't they be expected to provide their own food from home in the form of a butty box the same as the rest of us do. Incidentally having been on the fat albert fleet for many years I don't recall ever seeing toast provided.
In addition why do we still provide food for passengers? Surely it is time we went over to the system that the budget airlines use. Pay as you dine.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
That consequence of an aircraft being lost due to the fact the crew had not eaten properly on the ground should not be they get fed for free. They get paid well enough.
Happy enough if the medics say it has to be provided in the crewroom because the aircrew aren´t bright enough to organise it on their own. Just deduct the cost from their pay.....
Happy enough if the medics say it has to be provided in the crewroom because the aircrew aren´t bright enough to organise it on their own. Just deduct the cost from their pay.....
When I went flying with the Americans in a B-52G years ago, I had to buy a (very good and pretty cheap) box lunch from the 'Flight Kitchen'. Seemed reasonable enough to me.
Once upon a time we even used to have a box lunch provided on the VC10 fleet if we were in the simulator over the lunch period. Actually, that's probably less unreasonable than the 1400-1730 example I mentioned earlier.
But aircrew bringing their own food for flights could prove a safety hazard; if a shift worker on the ground gives himself a touch of food poisoning it's pretty unpleasant - but if that happened to aircrew halfway across the ocean....??
PAYD for pax trips? A bureaucratic nightmare, I would have thought, and quite impractical. Selling snacks to passengers when they want them, not when the cabin staff want to feed them? Cash handling etc - you'd need an Air Admineer to sort that lot out! Plus, unlike real airlines, AT pax are ften corralled for far longer in terminals without anything much in the way of facilities, so to expect them then to pay for their in-flight meal would be pretty unpopular, I would imagine. But perhaps it might stop squaddies having fun grinding crisps into the carpets of a VC10......
But would anyone pay for the dreaded S1 box?
Once upon a time we even used to have a box lunch provided on the VC10 fleet if we were in the simulator over the lunch period. Actually, that's probably less unreasonable than the 1400-1730 example I mentioned earlier.
But aircrew bringing their own food for flights could prove a safety hazard; if a shift worker on the ground gives himself a touch of food poisoning it's pretty unpleasant - but if that happened to aircrew halfway across the ocean....??
PAYD for pax trips? A bureaucratic nightmare, I would have thought, and quite impractical. Selling snacks to passengers when they want them, not when the cabin staff want to feed them? Cash handling etc - you'd need an Air Admineer to sort that lot out! Plus, unlike real airlines, AT pax are ften corralled for far longer in terminals without anything much in the way of facilities, so to expect them then to pay for their in-flight meal would be pretty unpopular, I would imagine. But perhaps it might stop squaddies having fun grinding crisps into the carpets of a VC10......
But would anyone pay for the dreaded S1 box?
But, like the Murphys.....
There appears to be an awful lot of bitter people on this thread.
Every now and then, certain people in the military get a good deal. I personally don't think flying rations are that great a deal (I'd rather fly first class to Washington, but that's just me!).
If you want to hear about wasting money just ask blunties.
On a recent squadron det to somewhere nice in the US of A the whole squadron were put up on base in very good accommodation with excellent messing facilities provided. Everyone was given on-base rates which were perfectly adequate.
However, the deployed admin group (DAG), perhaps more aptly named the Group of Information Technology Specialists (GITS) weren't happy with this and for reasons best known to themselves booked into one of the finest hotels in town on full rates.
All this despite the fact that said group of blunties weren't exactly overly helpful in trying to help us get back a mere thirty bucks each that we were owed from a nightstop en-route to our destination.
Moral of the story: it's not just aircrew I'm afraid and if you manage to get a good deal, good on you and don't get all uppity when someone else manages to get one.
BV
Every now and then, certain people in the military get a good deal. I personally don't think flying rations are that great a deal (I'd rather fly first class to Washington, but that's just me!).
If you want to hear about wasting money just ask blunties.
On a recent squadron det to somewhere nice in the US of A the whole squadron were put up on base in very good accommodation with excellent messing facilities provided. Everyone was given on-base rates which were perfectly adequate.
However, the deployed admin group (DAG), perhaps more aptly named the Group of Information Technology Specialists (GITS) weren't happy with this and for reasons best known to themselves booked into one of the finest hotels in town on full rates.
All this despite the fact that said group of blunties weren't exactly overly helpful in trying to help us get back a mere thirty bucks each that we were owed from a nightstop en-route to our destination.
Moral of the story: it's not just aircrew I'm afraid and if you manage to get a good deal, good on you and don't get all uppity when someone else manages to get one.
BV
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Many moons ago I, and a few others went on a Cope Thunder det to support the Spams during an exercise involving some UK Sqns. Our unit asked nicely if the Sqns concerned would take us on their imprest. The response was, to be polite, negative. Our admin staff therefore did all the arrangements and agreed a daily rate.
We duly arrived in theatre where we found that we were about $20 a day better off than the aircrew as we got a meal allowance whilst they eat in the canteen and the imprest paid.
The aircrew reaction? They sent a signal back to our unit complaining and requesting we be transferred to their imprest.
The response from our unit was, in turn, not sympathetic to their request........
We duly arrived in theatre where we found that we were about $20 a day better off than the aircrew as we got a meal allowance whilst they eat in the canteen and the imprest paid.
The aircrew reaction? They sent a signal back to our unit complaining and requesting we be transferred to their imprest.
The response from our unit was, in turn, not sympathetic to their request........
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Can we please get away from this "aircrew get free lunch" thread as it is not correct.
RN and AAC aircrew have to pay for their own lunch OR bring in some sarnies, the same as everyone else. In fact in the RN we have to bring in our own night flying sarnies as well. (not sure if the AAC have to pay for Night Flying scran, but the RN do)
If there is a regulation somewhere that states that aircrew get free lunches can you pease point me towards it....
TY
RN and AAC aircrew have to pay for their own lunch OR bring in some sarnies, the same as everyone else. In fact in the RN we have to bring in our own night flying sarnies as well. (not sure if the AAC have to pay for Night Flying scran, but the RN do)
If there is a regulation somewhere that states that aircrew get free lunches can you pease point me towards it....
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"What SORT of standard do you think you are maintaining by wearing a hat? Do you wear one ALL THE TIME when outdoors when you are in civvies?"
Do you have one of those grey curly wigs and a batman cloak for your job?
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Retard
"What SORT of standard do you think you are maintaining by wearing a hat? Do you wear one ALL THE TIME when outdoors when you are in civvies?"
Do you have one of those grey curly wigs and a batman cloak for your job?
Regards
Retard
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Trying hard to remember a tale told to me by a Froggy aviator concerning their rules. I seem to recall that rations/lunch was free, but only on units with a runway or helipad. You therefore found a H painted on the roof of every FAF ministry building. Or something along those lines anyway. Probably apochryphal.....
Vecvec.
Are you really that upset about RAF aircrew getting the odd bit of food when you don't?
You get to go to sea on a nice big grey boat and I don't. I don't think that's very fair. In fact, why do the Navy get big boats to play with when the RAF doesn't? And why do Navy officers get a free waiters outfit and we only get a bus conductors outfit?
I demand answers....
BV
Are you really that upset about RAF aircrew getting the odd bit of food when you don't?
You get to go to sea on a nice big grey boat and I don't. I don't think that's very fair. In fact, why do the Navy get big boats to play with when the RAF doesn't? And why do Navy officers get a free waiters outfit and we only get a bus conductors outfit?
I demand answers....
BV
prOOne
About as professional as you are in a wig and gown, or do you work in a Hawaiian shirt and Bermuda shorts? As aircrew I am trained to uphold standards - I try to do it in my flying and in my other duties. If wearing hats (which I have to buy - so not saving so many squillions) is part of being in a uniformed profession then I am content with maintaining standards. I have no desire to lower the standards to that of modern yoof or the streets of the UK thanks!
About as professional as you are in a wig and gown, or do you work in a Hawaiian shirt and Bermuda shorts? As aircrew I am trained to uphold standards - I try to do it in my flying and in my other duties. If wearing hats (which I have to buy - so not saving so many squillions) is part of being in a uniformed profession then I am content with maintaining standards. I have no desire to lower the standards to that of modern yoof or the streets of the UK thanks!
Ah ha! Maintaining standards.....now by golly we know where he is headed with promotion. If it was good enough for Wellington...by God it is good enough!
To think of the accomplishment of the Spec Ops guys in Afghanistan....non-issue baseball caps, local garb, riding horses, and winning wars. Cheeky Sods!
Kinda goes the point about "Parade Field" armies versus "Combat" armies me thinks.
To think of the accomplishment of the Spec Ops guys in Afghanistan....non-issue baseball caps, local garb, riding horses, and winning wars. Cheeky Sods!
Kinda goes the point about "Parade Field" armies versus "Combat" armies me thinks.
It is what is inside that uniform that draws the fanny....the uniform is mere advertising.