Aircrew Hmmmmmmmmm!
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Aircrew Hmmmmmmmmm!
Noticed during some of these threads that many of the Aircrew have an opinion that they are "Pilots first and Officers second"
So the topic today is "Aircrew, do they need to be commisioned"?
Lets see:
You need A levels to be an Officer/Pilot, many SAC Techncians have A levels.
Officers/Pilots train at Cranwell, NCO Aircrew also train at Cranwell.
Groundcrew technicians have been used as rear crew (Sentry, Herc etc)
The Army have SNCO and JNCO Pilots and aircrew.
Ergo: Make all pilots SNCO's and all rear crew (inc Navs) SAC crewmen. Therefore even with flying pay we save the defence budget a small fortune! Hoorah.
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So the topic today is "Aircrew, do they need to be commisioned"?
Lets see:
You need A levels to be an Officer/Pilot, many SAC Techncians have A levels.
Officers/Pilots train at Cranwell, NCO Aircrew also train at Cranwell.
Groundcrew technicians have been used as rear crew (Sentry, Herc etc)
The Army have SNCO and JNCO Pilots and aircrew.
Ergo: Make all pilots SNCO's and all rear crew (inc Navs) SAC crewmen. Therefore even with flying pay we save the defence budget a small fortune! Hoorah.
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Who gives a "flying f**k" what rank the aircrew are or what rank the groundcrew are!!!!!!!!! As long as the job gets done, whatever that job is. Teamwork will always get the desired results without all this willy-waving. There are good and bad in all organizations, and thankfully the good overshadows the bad in most cases.
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"when did grd trades become crew"
surely they beacme "crew" when they became ground crew. I don't think the aim of this thread is to discuss the airCREW and groundCREW divide, but its also not to widen it. GroundCREW are a huge and pivotal part of flying and without them we wouldn't be able to fly our aircraft. Comments like "when did grd trades become crew", I feel, are not appropriate.
surely they beacme "crew" when they became ground crew. I don't think the aim of this thread is to discuss the airCREW and groundCREW divide, but its also not to widen it. GroundCREW are a huge and pivotal part of flying and without them we wouldn't be able to fly our aircraft. Comments like "when did grd trades become crew", I feel, are not appropriate.
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think the topic that stax should be starting is ' is stax bitter and twisted and too long in the job!? '
ground crew are an essential part of the 'team' and everyone has their part to play - starting the rank argument is not wise really, and as for saving money... have you thought that the politicians who cut the budget, swan around in their flash cars getting paid stupid amounts and getting thousands in expenses... stax,there is the money for your cba...
ground crew are an essential part of the 'team' and everyone has their part to play - starting the rank argument is not wise really, and as for saving money... have you thought that the politicians who cut the budget, swan around in their flash cars getting paid stupid amounts and getting thousands in expenses... stax,there is the money for your cba...
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Aircrew etc
Sorry Truckie bloke
No jeously intended, re read my opening. Its the Aircrew in these forums that mention "Pilot first Officer second". If thats the case then pi55 off to civvy street where you won't have to be an officer at all, leaving you to be a pilot all the time!
PS: 27 years in and have worked with some superb crews of all services and airframes both at home and on ops, so don't assume anything!
No jeously intended, re read my opening. Its the Aircrew in these forums that mention "Pilot first Officer second". If thats the case then pi55 off to civvy street where you won't have to be an officer at all, leaving you to be a pilot all the time!
PS: 27 years in and have worked with some superb crews of all services and airframes both at home and on ops, so don't assume anything!
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Pray tell...when did grd trades become crew in the real sense of the word...
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What is it about being a pilot that means you must have a commission?
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Ok soooo...
Required Property 1, an officer knows how to shake a hand firmly, an NCO doesn't.
RP 2, When in the air an aircraft increases in value, by so much that you must've read The Times before you joined the Service to operate it.
Required Property 1, an officer knows how to shake a hand firmly, an NCO doesn't.
RP 2, When in the air an aircraft increases in value, by so much that you must've read The Times before you joined the Service to operate it.
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Do really think that the Airships would be happy letting an NCO go off on his/her own with such a hugely expensive bit of kit? Who would supervise them? What if they had to make a diversionary landing - how could they possibly be trusted to make a good first impression and shake everyone firmly by the hand?
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Most pilots I know don't give 2 hoots if they are an officer or an NCO.
Pay me enough, treat me well, give me the authority to do my job, and you can give me any rank you choose.
I joined to be a pilot. The RAF told me I had to be an officer. I don't know of anybody who applied to be an officer, and were told they had to be a pilot.
Rank and authority are often confused on a flightdeck.
Pay me enough, treat me well, give me the authority to do my job, and you can give me any rank you choose.
I joined to be a pilot. The RAF told me I had to be an officer. I don't know of anybody who applied to be an officer, and were told they had to be a pilot.
Rank and authority are often confused on a flightdeck.
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I was told on IOT that NCOs were prevented from being pilots and navs when we first had the nuclear capability, as mentioned before.
They apparently only wanted Commissioned Officers to have the responsibility to drop buckets of sunshine.
No reason now why it can't change back.
Ray
They apparently only wanted Commissioned Officers to have the responsibility to drop buckets of sunshine.
No reason now why it can't change back.
Ray
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Or worse still, what if they did it better than one of the Cranwell's comissioned finest?
