Any AEF staff pilots out there?
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WF - sorry to put u through this again.
Could u please supply details on your Chipster.
I just might be interested - Would also be interested to know what happened to the ex Finningley AEF Chippies.
Good old 148 Sqn ATC - Barnsley "al bet thas never pulled a cricket ball artava cow's arse afore, vitnery"
K
Could u please supply details on your Chipster.
I just might be interested - Would also be interested to know what happened to the ex Finningley AEF Chippies.
Good old 148 Sqn ATC - Barnsley "al bet thas never pulled a cricket ball artava cow's arse afore, vitnery"
K
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klug,
PM sent.
"Chipmunk, The First Fifty Years" says that as at Jan 1994 the Finningley Chipmunks were WD390, WG407, WK590 and WK638.
WD390 is now G-BWNK
WG407 is now G-BWMX
WK590 is now G-BWVZ (now based in Belgium)
WK638 is now G-BWJZ (doesn't seem to have a current CofA)
Those the ones you were looking for?
WF.
PM sent.
"Chipmunk, The First Fifty Years" says that as at Jan 1994 the Finningley Chipmunks were WD390, WG407, WK590 and WK638.
WD390 is now G-BWNK
WG407 is now G-BWMX
WK590 is now G-BWVZ (now based in Belgium)
WK638 is now G-BWJZ (doesn't seem to have a current CofA)
Those the ones you were looking for?
WF.
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I would just like to say that today has been the best days flying I have had in years. Eight AEF trips with cadets, absolutely PERFECT weather and all of the cadets had stomachs of steel. My poor little Tutor must have sore wings tonight. Thanks for listening!!
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Sounds like a cracking day and sounds like you may be able to help with the following.
No. 1 son is 1st year VR UAS and has made good progress so far, generally high debrief marks, 1st solo by Easter etc. Understand that from Sept UAS flying will be AEF only and the EFT course will be terminated.
Q1. Can he continue to do the EFT syllabus during AEF?
Q2. Will this be qualifying hours for his logbook?
Q3. Any other info on the proposed changes to UAS?
Thanks
Sounds like a cracking day and sounds like you may be able to help with the following.
No. 1 son is 1st year VR UAS and has made good progress so far, generally high debrief marks, 1st solo by Easter etc. Understand that from Sept UAS flying will be AEF only and the EFT course will be terminated.
Q1. Can he continue to do the EFT syllabus during AEF?
Q2. Will this be qualifying hours for his logbook?
Q3. Any other info on the proposed changes to UAS?
Thanks
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Like Gibso I haven't a clue how to fly the Grob either. Perhaps someone could show me ? Unlike MG I don't mind doing the odd aero or two , how about a few gentle flick manoeuvres just to ease me into it.
I'd be grateful if you can pick me up at Saltby please.
Thanks
I'd be grateful if you can pick me up at Saltby please.
Thanks
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No idea about binning UAS in sept. Has this been announced yet? Rumours abound but there are so many that it isn't worth listening till the fat lady sings. Tell him to get there as much as possible to hog some flying just in case!!
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going back on topic..... this is culled direct from a poster supplied to all ATC units... can any of our resident two winged heros confirm it is current please.... off to 5 AEF on Sunday
Tutor Circuits
Pre take off checks
Fuel Sufficient, BOTH
Trim Set Take OFF
RPM HIGH
Mixture Best power
Alt Air COLD
Flaps take off
Aux Fuel Pump ON
Pitot ON
Lights ON
Mute OFF
Flight Instruments
Nav Aids
CWP Clear
Harness SECURE
Canopy CLOSED
Controls full and free
T/O Brief
TAKE OFF
70Kts Flaps TAKE OFF
80Kts Flaps UP
500ft Start turn (20 deg bank)
CROSSWIND LEG
800ft Level off
MAP 17”
DOWNWIND LEG
Callsign “downwind to roll/land”
Revs HIGH
Mixture Best POW
Alt Air COLD
Flaps TAKE OFF
Fuel PUMP ON
Cont & bal
Fuel Cock BOTH
Harness SECURE
Canopy CLOSED
Brakes OFF
BASE LEG
Revs 2100 Revs
Bank 20 Deg
IAS 75 Kts
Callsign “ FINALS”
FINALS
400ft Flap LAND
IAS 70Kts
TOES CLEAR
SHORT FINALS
IAS 65Kts
Tutor Circuits
Pre take off checks
Fuel Sufficient, BOTH
Trim Set Take OFF
RPM HIGH
Mixture Best power
Alt Air COLD
Flaps take off
Aux Fuel Pump ON
Pitot ON
Lights ON
Mute OFF
Flight Instruments
Nav Aids
CWP Clear
Harness SECURE
Canopy CLOSED
Controls full and free
T/O Brief
TAKE OFF
70Kts Flaps TAKE OFF
80Kts Flaps UP
500ft Start turn (20 deg bank)
CROSSWIND LEG
800ft Level off
MAP 17”
DOWNWIND LEG
Callsign “downwind to roll/land”
Revs HIGH
Mixture Best POW
Alt Air COLD
Flaps TAKE OFF
Fuel PUMP ON
Cont & bal
Fuel Cock BOTH
Harness SECURE
Canopy CLOSED
Brakes OFF
BASE LEG
Revs 2100 Revs
Bank 20 Deg
IAS 75 Kts
Callsign “ FINALS”
FINALS
400ft Flap LAND
IAS 70Kts
TOES CLEAR
SHORT FINALS
IAS 65Kts
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There's plenty of information around for operating the Tutor from your specific a/f....next time you can get to the airfield (or even in writing), might i suggest that you request copies of:
a. The relevant sections of the Student Study Guide (SSG)
b. A copy of the Tutor Flight Reference Cards
c. A copy of that airfield's (Cranwell?) R/T guide
d. The notes for the UAS Crit Points 1 and 2.
**Be advised though, these are all subject to amendment**
The UAS should be able to help there.
Studefather,
As for the UAS changes, they've already been covered here
In short, the answers to your questions are:
1. He can continue the EFT syllabus until the changeover, due to be around Apr 06. After that, the re-qualified AEF QFIs will only be ratified to teach certain elements of it.
2. Qualify for what in his logbook? For Dual - only if with an 'unrestricted' QFI. For PPL/NPPL - the hours will count towards it but not in toto for the license.
3. As mentioned in the above link for the changes. Your son will have all the gen from his UAS.
Uncle G
a. The relevant sections of the Student Study Guide (SSG)
b. A copy of the Tutor Flight Reference Cards
c. A copy of that airfield's (Cranwell?) R/T guide
d. The notes for the UAS Crit Points 1 and 2.
**Be advised though, these are all subject to amendment**
The UAS should be able to help there.
Studefather,
As for the UAS changes, they've already been covered here
In short, the answers to your questions are:
1. He can continue the EFT syllabus until the changeover, due to be around Apr 06. After that, the re-qualified AEF QFIs will only be ratified to teach certain elements of it.
2. Qualify for what in his logbook? For Dual - only if with an 'unrestricted' QFI. For PPL/NPPL - the hours will count towards it but not in toto for the license.
3. As mentioned in the above link for the changes. Your son will have all the gen from his UAS.
Uncle G
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**Be advised though, these are all subject to amendment**
Hence the reason for asking.... I was hoping to get up to speed before I went - that's the problem when you only go flying1/2 doz times a year, by the time the next slot comes around the info you have gained from the previous sortie is out of date....
But I'll ask anyway - thanks for your replies.
Hence the reason for asking.... I was hoping to get up to speed before I went - that's the problem when you only go flying1/2 doz times a year, by the time the next slot comes around the info you have gained from the previous sortie is out of date....
But I'll ask anyway - thanks for your replies.
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CI's and the AEF's
Chaps,
Can I throw in a mercenary question or two?
I've been helping as a CI at a local ATC Sqn for about a year now - mainly mid week evenings (PoF, Airmanship I/II, Ops Flying) - and am finally CRB'ed after only 12 months....! I'm also working towards my PPL(A).
Q1. Does the VT contract permit CI's to get an occasional trip aloft ?
Q2. Are the AEF instructors all ex-Regular RAF pilots or is it possible to convert a PPL(A) to something the RAFR would recognise ?
Can I throw in a mercenary question or two?
I've been helping as a CI at a local ATC Sqn for about a year now - mainly mid week evenings (PoF, Airmanship I/II, Ops Flying) - and am finally CRB'ed after only 12 months....! I'm also working towards my PPL(A).
Q1. Does the VT contract permit CI's to get an occasional trip aloft ?
Q2. Are the AEF instructors all ex-Regular RAF pilots or is it possible to convert a PPL(A) to something the RAFR would recognise ?
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A1. Your AEF merely has to get permission from 1EFTS at Cranwell to give you "the occasional trip".
A2. You need to hold/have held military wings in order to fly air cadets with an AEF. (Yes I know there is one individual who is the exception to this rule)
A2. You need to hold/have held military wings in order to fly air cadets with an AEF. (Yes I know there is one individual who is the exception to this rule)
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FrogPrince,
Wholigan is right about the PPL and AEF pilot requirment.
However all is not lost, try the local VGS. Depending on where you live you will either have the opportunity to fly the Vigilant (power) or Viking (proper glider)
Before you get sniffy like some people do, just remember -
1. The VGS instructors are still authorised and 'trapped' by CFS
2. A VGS teaches the youngsters to fly, not just do Aeros, this teaching to first solo can be very rewarding. More so in my opinion than 20 minute rides.
3. Depending on the airframe you will still be able to do Aeros (Viking) or do lots of local area flying (Vigilant)
However all this fun comes at a price. Most VGS members are CI's (i.e. dont get payed, expenses only). You will be expected to do one day every weekend (well most weekends anyway). In return you will get far better flying training than PPL and be far more current. In my experience the flying skill / aptitude for the senior category VGS instructors is the same as for the regs. Also the team spirit on the VGS rules (hence the reason I fly at one)
Good luck with the PPL and enjoy the flying.
Dinoorin
Wholigan is right about the PPL and AEF pilot requirment.
However all is not lost, try the local VGS. Depending on where you live you will either have the opportunity to fly the Vigilant (power) or Viking (proper glider)
Before you get sniffy like some people do, just remember -
1. The VGS instructors are still authorised and 'trapped' by CFS
2. A VGS teaches the youngsters to fly, not just do Aeros, this teaching to first solo can be very rewarding. More so in my opinion than 20 minute rides.
3. Depending on the airframe you will still be able to do Aeros (Viking) or do lots of local area flying (Vigilant)
However all this fun comes at a price. Most VGS members are CI's (i.e. dont get payed, expenses only). You will be expected to do one day every weekend (well most weekends anyway). In return you will get far better flying training than PPL and be far more current. In my experience the flying skill / aptitude for the senior category VGS instructors is the same as for the regs. Also the team spirit on the VGS rules (hence the reason I fly at one)
Good luck with the PPL and enjoy the flying.
Dinoorin
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Q1, depening on your AEF, the adult escorting cadets should be offered a sortie.
This however is an opportunity and not a right. It has been known for some adult staff to spit dummies out when refused a flight.
this can be for many reasons
You'll usually always fly last, and the weather may be closing to minimums
There may be no airframe or pilot available
You may have run out of time.
Your attitude. (not saying its wrong BTW)
My AEF always usually offer a flight to escorting staff.
If in doubt, don't wait to be asked, but ask nicely (don't ask the FSC - ask the boss or the duty instructor), the worst they can say is "sorry not today"
I haven't been refused yet........then again we are tasked at an ace AEF.
Q1, depening on your AEF, the adult escorting cadets should be offered a sortie.
This however is an opportunity and not a right. It has been known for some adult staff to spit dummies out when refused a flight.
this can be for many reasons
You'll usually always fly last, and the weather may be closing to minimums
There may be no airframe or pilot available
You may have run out of time.
Your attitude. (not saying its wrong BTW)
My AEF always usually offer a flight to escorting staff.
If in doubt, don't wait to be asked, but ask nicely (don't ask the FSC - ask the boss or the duty instructor), the worst they can say is "sorry not today"
I haven't been refused yet........then again we are tasked at an ace AEF.
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(don't ask the FSC - ask the boss or the duty instructor)
Don't be so quick to snub the humble FSC's! When I was an FSC at 5 AEF I always made efforts to get staff flying if so requested. In fact, I do believe that on a few occasions I was FSC'ing whilst you were visiting.
ASI
Don't be so quick to snub the humble FSC's! When I was an FSC at 5 AEF I always made efforts to get staff flying if so requested. In fact, I do believe that on a few occasions I was FSC'ing whilst you were visiting.
ASI
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Ahhh the Chipmunk, many happy memories of sitting in the back of one of them wearing Irvin's finest.
I always wondered what would have resulted from actually having to yank the little yellow ball toggle, pull the handle twice and in those immortal words,
"Jump jump Johnny."
"Jump jumping Sir...."
I always wondered what would have resulted from actually having to yank the little yellow ball toggle, pull the handle twice and in those immortal words,
"Jump jump Johnny."
"Jump jumping Sir...."