Identify this once-flying-object
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Let me get this straight Sloppy. Are you saying that compressed air was ejected through the blue nozzels rather than rocket eflux and therefore there would never be signs of heat discolouration
If so, this thing could have been fired and the blackening at the rear could have come from the electrically initiated flares.
As you can imagine I am still desperately trying to establish a likely reason for it lying where it was found.
Bear in mind it is roughly 12 miles from Otterburn.
Can you advise me of the significance of the dual coloured circle at the top r/h of the casing. Does it give any clues ?
If so, this thing could have been fired and the blackening at the rear could have come from the electrically initiated flares.
As you can imagine I am still desperately trying to establish a likely reason for it lying where it was found.
Bear in mind it is roughly 12 miles from Otterburn.
Can you advise me of the significance of the dual coloured circle at the top r/h of the casing. Does it give any clues ?
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The AS12 was larger than the SS11 with a 165lb HE warhead which was fitted for annual firings. (although not all I seem to remember)
The AS12 range was 7500 yds (lots of copper wire!) and the SS11 range was about 3500-4000 yds?. Anyway, TOF AS12 32 seconds (ambient temperature dependant) and the SS11 about 18 seconds.
As sloppy link says, it was a bugger to control at long range because of the time it took for control inputs to travel down the wire to the control surfaces.
The other great 'feature' with these things was the nasty habit of the redundant wire getting caught up in the MRH after missile impact. The way to stop that was for the pilot to pull up and right after missile impact and for the aimer to then cut the wires. Not before. Doh!
The AS12 was larger than the SS11 with a 165lb HE warhead which was fitted for annual firings. (although not all I seem to remember)
The AS12 range was 7500 yds (lots of copper wire!) and the SS11 range was about 3500-4000 yds?. Anyway, TOF AS12 32 seconds (ambient temperature dependant) and the SS11 about 18 seconds.
As sloppy link says, it was a bugger to control at long range because of the time it took for control inputs to travel down the wire to the control surfaces.
The other great 'feature' with these things was the nasty habit of the redundant wire getting caught up in the MRH after missile impact. The way to stop that was for the pilot to pull up and right after missile impact and for the aimer to then cut the wires. Not before. Doh!
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Surely this is not the AS-12 to which you refer.
http://www.wonderland.org.nz/Missile_Index/as12.htm
If so, it surely has no connection with the Cheviot Missile.
By the way, my friend has e-mailed the picture and the GPS location of the beast to Otterburn, so watch this space.
Depending on the existence and magnitude of any "reward" I reckon he owes us all a pint.
http://www.wonderland.org.nz/Missile_Index/as12.htm
If so, it surely has no connection with the Cheviot Missile.
By the way, my friend has e-mailed the picture and the GPS location of the beast to Otterburn, so watch this space.
Depending on the existence and magnitude of any "reward" I reckon he owes us all a pint.
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The AS-11 is about a 99% match. What are the salient points which make you think otherwise Sloppy.
No word from Otterburn yet, perhaps if thy do make the effort to recover it they may enlighten us (then again, maybe not)
They have a perfect GPS Fix as well as an OS grid.
No word from Otterburn yet, perhaps if thy do make the effort to recover it they may enlighten us (then again, maybe not)
They have a perfect GPS Fix as well as an OS grid.
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Just something else to consider. Mystic_meg's link has jogged my memory as it mentions ground use. This could possibly (good Int stock phrase
) have been a surface to surface firing, and not air to surface from an aircraft, as I seem to remember film of ground firings in the late 70's early 80's. Any RA recall anything?
) have been a surface to surface firing, and not air to surface from an aircraft, as I seem to remember film of ground firings in the late 70's early 80's. Any RA recall anything?
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Nice one Mighty. I am a bit of an agrophobic, one-trick-pony. Pprune is a big enough cyberworld for me.
If you get any prime info, I am sure you will share it.
If you get any prime info, I am sure you will share it.
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err the nose is off it. And it has been outside for a hella of long time by the look off it. And it has a light blue decal
1. The EOD would either pick it straight up and dump it n the back of the landy.
2. If they had Px they needed shot of, blow it. ( which would be the sensable thing to do)
3. Pull it with a bit of rope then lift it. (at least 50m with some cover)
Any which way if you want to keep it or not you NEED a BDO to sign the FFE cert or get shot of it . Or your arse is in a sling.
Phone ordance at Cat and they will have it away. Or if your really upset the local bobbys.
Either that or some TA reg will have a whale of a time clearing it.
MJ
1. The EOD would either pick it straight up and dump it n the back of the landy.
2. If they had Px they needed shot of, blow it. ( which would be the sensable thing to do)
3. Pull it with a bit of rope then lift it. (at least 50m with some cover)
Any which way if you want to keep it or not you NEED a BDO to sign the FFE cert or get shot of it . Or your arse is in a sling.
Phone ordance at Cat and they will have it away. Or if your really upset the local bobbys.
Either that or some TA reg will have a whale of a time clearing it.
MJ
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Otterburn were given full details, GPS position et al, almost 24 hours ago, but have never responded. Obviously they are not bothered, or too busy to reply.
On reflection, this is pretty much what one should expect.
Watching and Waiting.
On reflection, this is pretty much what one should expect.
Watching and Waiting.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
EOD at Cat can only touch it is it is on their patch. If it is on someone elses patch EOD need a tasking. The only way to get an EOD tasking, properly, is to contact the appropriate EOD Ops. The easy way to do that is to tell the civ pol. They have a procedure and the whole exercise is painless.
As far as keeping it it concerned I would guess EOD may claim it as a trophy.
As far as keeping it it concerned I would guess EOD may claim it as a trophy.
The compressed air nozzles were at the rear, they interrupted the efflux from the flight motor to give steering, the blue nozzles are the launch motor nozzles that gave the initial oomph to clear the aircraft. The two coloured sticker is simply a temperature range for storage: Red half indicating the upper temperature limit and the blue half the lower. 18 sec ToF is about right, range of up to 3000m. Warhead was 2.2lbs of RDX/TNT with a shaped charge. Poster who said AS-12 with 165lbs of warhead methinks has forgotten a decimal point, please confirm? The diameter would have been about 6.5" and about 4' in length. Non-beer fuelled inspection and checking old scrapbook phots is bringing me round to thinking that this is one or the other. The AAC never had AS-11 (Harpoon), different guidance system, don't know about the FAA or RAF. Not really suitable for them. Having checked, I now think this could well be an SS-11 or AS-11 motor section. That will teach me to fire from the hip. Apologies to those I may have mis-led.
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Am I alone here in thinking that in the 48 hour period since advising Otterburn of a potentially dangerous piece of Military ordnance lying on a hillside not far from a hiking trail, one would have received some sort of acknowledgment.
I hope this is something to do with the chain of responsibility and not due to sloppyness.
I can imagine the consequences of somone re-finding the object and being injured by, it hours or days after the nearest Military authority had been advised.
On reflection, maybe my friend should have went straight to "plod" in the first place.
I hope this is something to do with the chain of responsibility and not due to sloppyness.
I can imagine the consequences of somone re-finding the object and being injured by, it hours or days after the nearest Military authority had been advised.
On reflection, maybe my friend should have went straight to "plod" in the first place.