Life after OCUs...?
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Chicks dig us, Guys think we're cool. Influenced me to join!
"So young man, why do you wanna join the air force?"
"Chicks dig pilots!"
Bugger..... I thought it was the other way round....
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PUO - With your outlook and attitude I don't think you have the right to banter with your own Service, let alone the RN.
I refer you to my previous post and urge you to select option b.
Now ziplip sonny.
I refer you to my previous post and urge you to select option b.
Now ziplip sonny.
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PUO. The timings of your posts are interesting, I hope you weren't first wave on Friday. I'll see you at Met on Monday, maybe we can have a chat about the big bad world outside
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PUO - With your outlook and attitude I don't think you have the right to banter with your own Service, let alone the RN. I refer you to my previous post and urge you to select option b. Now ziplip sonny.
Just because you don’t agree with my views (which, to be fair and with hindsight, do come across as quite harsh) don’t tell me I can’t banter you! I would’ve thought you’d be used to the ‘gay navy’ banter by now!
Anyway, it wasn’t my intention to start a slanging match. I see your point but don’t agree with it.
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If you take the advice of your peers (and I suspect that I insult them by calling them that, given the D'Head you so obviously are), please don't ever go and fly for any airline I am likely to fly on.
Safety_Helmut
If you take the advice of your peers (and I suspect that I insult them by calling them that, given the D'Head you so obviously are), please don't ever go and fly for any airline I am likely to fly on.
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Gents,
An apology is in order.
The first reply was made with a drunk and very angry head on and things went downhill from there; with hindsight I can see that I have posted a large amount of b*ll*cks and for this I apologise.
I do think the world of employer/employee relations is changing and (some) modern officers hold themselves to different standards to the older generation but in general the armed forces do remain exceptionally committed to their job.
Where else would people travel all over the world to put themselves in danger? Even of the few who disagree with various ‘causes we are fighting for’ (for want of a better phrase) the vast majority continue to do an extremely professional job and of the tiny minority who disagree most take their dissatisfaction up through official channels.
I understand I’ve come across as a total tw@ and this obviously wasn’t the intention . Although I do probably hold (slightly) different standards and values to the majority of officers I’m not (I hope) the total c**t that I’ve portrayed myself to be on here.
Cheers for reading
PUO
An apology is in order.
The first reply was made with a drunk and very angry head on and things went downhill from there; with hindsight I can see that I have posted a large amount of b*ll*cks and for this I apologise.
I do think the world of employer/employee relations is changing and (some) modern officers hold themselves to different standards to the older generation but in general the armed forces do remain exceptionally committed to their job.
Where else would people travel all over the world to put themselves in danger? Even of the few who disagree with various ‘causes we are fighting for’ (for want of a better phrase) the vast majority continue to do an extremely professional job and of the tiny minority who disagree most take their dissatisfaction up through official channels.
I understand I’ve come across as a total tw@ and this obviously wasn’t the intention . Although I do probably hold (slightly) different standards and values to the majority of officers I’m not (I hope) the total c**t that I’ve portrayed myself to be on here.
Cheers for reading
PUO
Well said, young man!
However, I can understand and sympathise with your justifiable anger and resentment at the tedious delays in your military flying training.
And do remember that once you've achieved 2000 hours total military flying time, your path to civil commercial licences will be much, much simpler and cheaper. It's a retention incentive to keep you 'in' until that time in your life!
Incidentally, ba are now recruiting people direct from Oxford and Jerez whilst they're still under training.
However, I can understand and sympathise with your justifiable anger and resentment at the tedious delays in your military flying training.
And do remember that once you've achieved 2000 hours total military flying time, your path to civil commercial licences will be much, much simpler and cheaper. It's a retention incentive to keep you 'in' until that time in your life!
Incidentally, ba are now recruiting people direct from Oxford and Jerez whilst they're still under training.
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PUP, based on your first post I guess that you are still at the stage of being b*ggered around by experts.
Once you get passed the OCU the amateurs take over. By that I mean the schools and OCUs have been b*ggering people about for longer. On the sqns it is often their first time.
On the sqn you will take a lot of responsibility for your own actions (remember I said b*ggered around by amateurs of which you will be but one).
Another difference is that in the training system any sortie lost is a sortie that will be reprogrammed again and again. On a sqn any sortie lost will never be flown again. This means having taken responsibility for the sortie planning you will be keen to get out and fly it. You might be able to pull it out of the bag another day but don't bank on it.
Once you get passed the OCU the amateurs take over. By that I mean the schools and OCUs have been b*ggering people about for longer. On the sqns it is often their first time.
On the sqn you will take a lot of responsibility for your own actions (remember I said b*ggered around by amateurs of which you will be but one).
Another difference is that in the training system any sortie lost is a sortie that will be reprogrammed again and again. On a sqn any sortie lost will never be flown again. This means having taken responsibility for the sortie planning you will be keen to get out and fly it. You might be able to pull it out of the bag another day but don't bank on it.
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All I can say is, you fit the stereotypical image of a wet behind the ear officer, that us knockers are supposed to look up to. You and your peers are supposedly the people to lead us forward to a new era. All you seem to be doing is joining the RAF with the wrong outlook from the start. Some people would swap their right arm for the chance to become a pilot, and you're winging before even making it to the sqn.
Dry 'em!!!
All I can say is, you fit the stereotypical image of a wet behind the ear officer, that us knockers are supposed to look up to. You and your peers are supposedly the people to lead us forward to a new era. All you seem to be doing is joining the RAF with the wrong outlook from the start. Some people would swap their right arm for the chance to become a pilot, and you're winging before even making it to the sqn.
Dry 'em!!!
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Gents,
I am only a young pup myself, having been out of Cranwell just over a year and having just finished EFT in the past few months. However, I must say that not all ‘wet behind the ears’ young officers share the views of PUO.
Whilst I would have to agree with PUO that many young officers are in the service for:
a) The money (it might not be much but at 19 I earn more than most of my mates from school)
b) The chicks (they do dig it)
c) To be an airline pilot as quickly as possible (although no desire of mine)
I feel I must stress that this is certainly not the motivation for all of us. I personally am proud to be an officer in the Royal Air Force, I love going to work with that (very thin) braid on my shoulder, I am looking forward to the opportunities to ‘lead from the front’ (for want of a better phrase), but most of all I am looking forward to 37 years in the service.
Many of you may see this as a young and naive view, you may be right, but maybe you need to be young and naïve to not let the bad aspects of flying training tarnish your view of the future.
Maybe my views will change as I progress through the training system; I would like to think not. All I know is that I have spent the last 6 months getting paid to go flying and I am looking forward to the next 6 months holding with the UN in Tokyo. Meanwhile, my school mates are working in Pizza Hut.
The service has given a fantastic opportunity to a lucky few young people, and shattered the dreams of many, many more. I guess I appreciate I’m one of the lucky few, and I am sure, so do many others.
NFS
I am only a young pup myself, having been out of Cranwell just over a year and having just finished EFT in the past few months. However, I must say that not all ‘wet behind the ears’ young officers share the views of PUO.
Whilst I would have to agree with PUO that many young officers are in the service for:
a) The money (it might not be much but at 19 I earn more than most of my mates from school)
b) The chicks (they do dig it)
c) To be an airline pilot as quickly as possible (although no desire of mine)
I feel I must stress that this is certainly not the motivation for all of us. I personally am proud to be an officer in the Royal Air Force, I love going to work with that (very thin) braid on my shoulder, I am looking forward to the opportunities to ‘lead from the front’ (for want of a better phrase), but most of all I am looking forward to 37 years in the service.
Many of you may see this as a young and naive view, you may be right, but maybe you need to be young and naïve to not let the bad aspects of flying training tarnish your view of the future.
Maybe my views will change as I progress through the training system; I would like to think not. All I know is that I have spent the last 6 months getting paid to go flying and I am looking forward to the next 6 months holding with the UN in Tokyo. Meanwhile, my school mates are working in Pizza Hut.
The service has given a fantastic opportunity to a lucky few young people, and shattered the dreams of many, many more. I guess I appreciate I’m one of the lucky few, and I am sure, so do many others.
NFS
markerboy, it takes a lot to admit your failures in public; PuO did and I think that took some doing. So cut him some slack, I would venture to suggest?
Need for Speed - sounds like you've got the Right Stuff, chap. Enjoy your TypHoon/J35 or whatever, you lucky git!
Need for Speed - sounds like you've got the Right Stuff, chap. Enjoy your TypHoon/J35 or whatever, you lucky git!
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Life after OCU's
Boys, boys, "the chicks love you" - Get real! They just want to know what's under the flying suit and lets face it, those long johns are a real turn off!
Seriously, any bird with a brain probably earns as much or even more than you any way so (this is for the younger willy wavers amongst you in particular) I suggest you accept that you do an important job and take pride in doing it to the best of your ability. People (civilians) are intrigued by you because you need to give 100% commitment in a job like yours and do something far more scary than play with other peoples money. You get moved around all over the place, have to go away to less than desirable holiday destinations, and when you hit your mid-30's realise that all your old mates probably earn twice what you do.
If you love flying and the buzz you get away on ops it will be hard to replicate this in the 'real world' and no amount of money can make up for that. You should genuinely be proud of what you do. Everyone feels disillussioned about their jobs at some time in their career - but few can say they've really done something that counted even if at times you may question what you are being asked to do.
The former Mr Binky was a surgeon (believe me when I say the chicks did love him) with an ego the size of England and the current Mr Binky is a RAF pilot. An older (and definitely wiser) lady at the Xmas draw told me I was better off with a 'hero' and although I had to try hard not to be sick at that moment, I did take her point in the spirit it was meant (current Mr B was literally just back from the desert). That's how you lot are viewed by the public, even if at times you feel you are being messed around and not appreciated. The grass is not always greener.
Seriously, any bird with a brain probably earns as much or even more than you any way so (this is for the younger willy wavers amongst you in particular) I suggest you accept that you do an important job and take pride in doing it to the best of your ability. People (civilians) are intrigued by you because you need to give 100% commitment in a job like yours and do something far more scary than play with other peoples money. You get moved around all over the place, have to go away to less than desirable holiday destinations, and when you hit your mid-30's realise that all your old mates probably earn twice what you do.
If you love flying and the buzz you get away on ops it will be hard to replicate this in the 'real world' and no amount of money can make up for that. You should genuinely be proud of what you do. Everyone feels disillussioned about their jobs at some time in their career - but few can say they've really done something that counted even if at times you may question what you are being asked to do.
The former Mr Binky was a surgeon (believe me when I say the chicks did love him) with an ego the size of England and the current Mr Binky is a RAF pilot. An older (and definitely wiser) lady at the Xmas draw told me I was better off with a 'hero' and although I had to try hard not to be sick at that moment, I did take her point in the spirit it was meant (current Mr B was literally just back from the desert). That's how you lot are viewed by the public, even if at times you feel you are being messed around and not appreciated. The grass is not always greener.
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Why is winging about the job he hsn't even started to do yet, airing his failures?? The man obviously wants to screw the mob for all it's worth, then go be the autopilot engager!! If the case then why join in the first place?
Why is winging about the job he hsn't even started to do yet, airing his failures?? The man obviously wants to screw the mob for all it's worth, then go be the autopilot engager!! If the case then why join in the first place?
Suggest you read his post of 03 0624 April:
"Gents,
An apology is in order.
The first reply was made with a drunk and very angry head on and things went downhill from there; with hindsight I can see that I have posted a large amount of b*ll*cks and for this I apologise.."
OK?
"Gents,
An apology is in order.
The first reply was made with a drunk and very angry head on and things went downhill from there; with hindsight I can see that I have posted a large amount of b*ll*cks and for this I apologise.."
OK?
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NFS,
Did the old man organise that for you or did you sort it yourself?
Do have fun.
TTH.
PUO,
Buddy. A stern clip around the ear from me.
Dudes.
Being a mil pilot is the best way to fight a war, should it come to that. For me its not all about the flying.
Livestrong
TTH
Did the old man organise that for you or did you sort it yourself?
Do have fun.
TTH.
PUO,
Buddy. A stern clip around the ear from me.
Dudes.
Being a mil pilot is the best way to fight a war, should it come to that. For me its not all about the flying.
Livestrong
TTH