Speed Cameras
So up to this point its the old,young,lorry drivers,non-pilots, suicidal chav brats & the nanny state. I just stick to the speed limit as its the law.
Obviously middle aged high performance car drivers,with finely honed motor skills & other two winged wonder race super powers, may drive at any speed 'you' think appropriate. Oh & please feel free to 'grease' a few chav brats if you feel the urge.
Alternatively you could use your super powers for the good of all humanity,stick to the speed limit & drive defensively. This may mean some brats live to fight another day - but what the heck! Anyway if you've attended the funeral of one bright & happy 6 year old runover & killed outside his home you've attended them all!
Obviously middle aged high performance car drivers,with finely honed motor skills & other two winged wonder race super powers, may drive at any speed 'you' think appropriate. Oh & please feel free to 'grease' a few chav brats if you feel the urge.
Alternatively you could use your super powers for the good of all humanity,stick to the speed limit & drive defensively. This may mean some brats live to fight another day - but what the heck! Anyway if you've attended the funeral of one bright & happy 6 year old runover & killed outside his home you've attended them all!
Short Blunt Shock
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If your kids get run over it is YOUR fault, end of. If my kids get run over, it will be MY fault. Almost all drivers do not knowingly mount pavements and mow children down (unless they are p!ssed, in which case cameras are useless), so cut the bullsh1t.
Copcameraman, you are a tw@t of the first order. It is directly because of you and your kind that real crime in this country is, and will remain, out of control. I, and I suspect, many like me, will actively refuse to co-operate with the police in ANY circumstances(save where required to by law; and believe you me, if you don't know already, we are required to give you the square root of f*ck all in most circumstances) due to your attitude and behaviour with respect to motoring cases. Your mother must be SO proud of you.
Why did you single out aircrew for criticism? Perhaps because we are better than you EVER will be, and you know it? The fact that we do, and always will, earn VASTLY more that you do in your sad little existence? Does it get to you, big man? Does it make you feel really important, handing out little yellow bits of paper? Enjoy it while it lasts, for it won't last long.
Do be sure to give me a wave the next time I pass overhead you, counting all my money whilst giving you the finger, you sad to$$er.
16B
Copcameraman, you are a tw@t of the first order. It is directly because of you and your kind that real crime in this country is, and will remain, out of control. I, and I suspect, many like me, will actively refuse to co-operate with the police in ANY circumstances(save where required to by law; and believe you me, if you don't know already, we are required to give you the square root of f*ck all in most circumstances) due to your attitude and behaviour with respect to motoring cases. Your mother must be SO proud of you.
Why did you single out aircrew for criticism? Perhaps because we are better than you EVER will be, and you know it? The fact that we do, and always will, earn VASTLY more that you do in your sad little existence? Does it get to you, big man? Does it make you feel really important, handing out little yellow bits of paper? Enjoy it while it lasts, for it won't last long.
Do be sure to give me a wave the next time I pass overhead you, counting all my money whilst giving you the finger, you sad to$$er.
16B
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Up there somewhere
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If cops won't so obsessed by speeding drivers, drunk/disorderly/drugs/guns/knives/fights wouldn't be a problem. Also accidents might get attended to slightly quicker. I was a crash passenger and waited half an hour for a cop to turn up.
People also might have more respect for cops as well if they weren't like the above. A family friend became a cop and turned into a k*ob; even nearly pinching his own bro for speeding.
People also might have more respect for cops as well if they weren't like the above. A family friend became a cop and turned into a k*ob; even nearly pinching his own bro for speeding.
Not enough $$$ ...
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 317
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's the law. Whether you like it or not, it's the law.
There's a whole bunch of stuff in Aeronautical Decision Making that refers to the Hazardous Attitudes that crop up in making bad decisions. One is the Anti-Authority attitude that says "the rules don't really apply in all situations/this time/to me, they were just made up to make my life harder and I don't have to follow them all the time".
But we should all know this, because we should all have studied it.
Air law applies in the air, what's your attitude to that? Do you bend/break the rules in the air? What's the difference? Your training is better? Worth thinking about.
I've been fined separately for speeding and using my handheld mobile phone, so I'm not saying I'm some paragon of virtue, I just think the attitudes of many posters here are very interesting, given what should have been taught about Human Factors in the cockpit.
There's a whole bunch of stuff in Aeronautical Decision Making that refers to the Hazardous Attitudes that crop up in making bad decisions. One is the Anti-Authority attitude that says "the rules don't really apply in all situations/this time/to me, they were just made up to make my life harder and I don't have to follow them all the time".
But we should all know this, because we should all have studied it.
Air law applies in the air, what's your attitude to that? Do you bend/break the rules in the air? What's the difference? Your training is better? Worth thinking about.
I've been fined separately for speeding and using my handheld mobile phone, so I'm not saying I'm some paragon of virtue, I just think the attitudes of many posters here are very interesting, given what should have been taught about Human Factors in the cockpit.
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow.
Age: 80
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
copcameraman,
............................................................ ............................................
A few have shown they have an 'attitude' problem.
............................................................ ............................................
Bloody right, and I'm one of them when I see the likes of you and your mates blatantly flouting the law by tearing down the motorways at high speed without benefit of blue flashing lights therefore having no valid reason for getting anywhere fast.
16B is right you are one sad to$$er.
By the way, this is our patch so pi$$ off.
............................................................ ............................................
A few have shown they have an 'attitude' problem.
............................................................ ............................................
Bloody right, and I'm one of them when I see the likes of you and your mates blatantly flouting the law by tearing down the motorways at high speed without benefit of blue flashing lights therefore having no valid reason for getting anywhere fast.
16B is right you are one sad to$$er.
By the way, this is our patch so pi$$ off.
Last edited by Echo 5; 15th Apr 2005 at 07:27.
Copcameraman, get off your fat ar$e and do some real policing instead of alienating people. 
Sitting in a scameravan 'zapping' motorists to generate revenue for Fatty Brown is viewed by the genpub as the only activity police bother with these days as it is safe, easy and brings you in plenty of key performance indicators. "Oink oink, click click, ching ching".
So how about taking the initiative to dispel that myth? Attitudes like yours really drive a rift between the police and the public.
No-one should consider themselves a better driver simply because they fly high performance a/c. But people who bother to fly at the correct Vat, for example, should also discipline themselves to drive within the limits.
I agree with reasonable limits, I have nothing but contempt for the nanny-state limits cropping up all over Oxfordshire whenever some lentilist bleats that "It's sooo dangerous for the kiddies and cyclists...."
Sitting in a scameravan 'zapping' motorists to generate revenue for Fatty Brown is viewed by the genpub as the only activity police bother with these days as it is safe, easy and brings you in plenty of key performance indicators. "Oink oink, click click, ching ching".
So how about taking the initiative to dispel that myth? Attitudes like yours really drive a rift between the police and the public.
No-one should consider themselves a better driver simply because they fly high performance a/c. But people who bother to fly at the correct Vat, for example, should also discipline themselves to drive within the limits.
I agree with reasonable limits, I have nothing but contempt for the nanny-state limits cropping up all over Oxfordshire whenever some lentilist bleats that "It's sooo dangerous for the kiddies and cyclists...."
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Copcameraman, whether he's really filth or just some trolling ****, demonstrates exactly why the crime rates are sky high and why respect for Plod is at an all time low.
The story earlier this week in the red tops, regarding the "points targets" given to Thames Valley Police, whether true or not, under which nicking a motorist for being slightly over the speed limit counted for half the points of catching a rapist or some other violent criminal shows the warped sensibilities that have become mainstream in this abused nation.
Those of you espousing "sticking to the speed limits", good for you. I hope you also obey to the letter every other law, and have never bought counterfeit goods from the market or sought to get a cash deal on goods or services, for example. Hypocrits!
The story earlier this week in the red tops, regarding the "points targets" given to Thames Valley Police, whether true or not, under which nicking a motorist for being slightly over the speed limit counted for half the points of catching a rapist or some other violent criminal shows the warped sensibilities that have become mainstream in this abused nation.
Those of you espousing "sticking to the speed limits", good for you. I hope you also obey to the letter every other law, and have never bought counterfeit goods from the market or sought to get a cash deal on goods or services, for example. Hypocrits!
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Falmouth
Posts: 1,651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
and have never bought counterfeit goods from the market or sought to get a cash deal on goods or services
God I must be really sad. I keep to the speed limit. I have never bought any counterfeit goods from a market....BUT I can't see whats wrong with buying goods or services with cash... I always use cash....don't do plastic.
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
<God I must be really sad. I keep to the speed limit. I have never bought any counterfeit goods from a market....BUT I can't see whats wrong with buying goods or services with cash... I always use cash....don't do plastic.>
On the first point, I think that we had already established that beyond doubt. I note that you've used a very Blair-ite response to the points, and I suspect you know exactly the meaning of "cash deal".
On the first point, I think that we had already established that beyond doubt. I note that you've used a very Blair-ite response to the points, and I suspect you know exactly the meaning of "cash deal".
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: SE490618
Age: 64
Posts: 182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Maybe he is TB in cognito......but whilst we are talking about it....what is a cash deal then?
If you pay cash for someting is that illegal...? I use plastic a lot but don't mind using cash if required...
anyone else know?
If you pay cash for someting is that illegal...? I use plastic a lot but don't mind using cash if required...
anyone else know?
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Over there, behind that tree.
Posts: 581
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Regarding speed cameras on any multi-lane road. Consider this scene. . .
Three cars, in different lanes, Car A is overtaking Car B at around 80mph. But Car B is motoring at 75mph overtaking Car C who is doing 65. Camera flashes - which car gets the ticket? And how does the camera decide?
Or. . .
Car is motoring at around 80 but passes a huge artic just as the camera flashes so that the artic blocks the view.
Or. . .
On dual carriageways (eg the A45 into Coventry with its 60mph multi-camera enforced limit). One car overtaking another. Overtaking car doing 65, other car doing dead on 60 under cruise control. Both cars "in the frame". Do both get a summons? Probably.
I travel the A45 fairly regularly to and from Bagington and have often noticed drivers looking at their instruments instead of the road. Followed one yesterday who had to brake suddenly as they found themselves nearly into the back of the car in front of them, no doubt as a result of nervously watching the speedo.
Three cars, in different lanes, Car A is overtaking Car B at around 80mph. But Car B is motoring at 75mph overtaking Car C who is doing 65. Camera flashes - which car gets the ticket? And how does the camera decide?
Or. . .
Car is motoring at around 80 but passes a huge artic just as the camera flashes so that the artic blocks the view.
Or. . .
On dual carriageways (eg the A45 into Coventry with its 60mph multi-camera enforced limit). One car overtaking another. Overtaking car doing 65, other car doing dead on 60 under cruise control. Both cars "in the frame". Do both get a summons? Probably.
I travel the A45 fairly regularly to and from Bagington and have often noticed drivers looking at their instruments instead of the road. Followed one yesterday who had to brake suddenly as they found themselves nearly into the back of the car in front of them, no doubt as a result of nervously watching the speedo.
Blame My Parrot
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Somerdorset, UK
Age: 69
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I believe it works something like this:
Case 1 - Camera flashes twice, takes two superimposed images. Someone measures the distance covered between flashes for each vehicle using white gridlines on the road. Distance divided by time etc.....
Case 2 - Unless culprit is photo'd/flashed twice, he's in the clear.
Case 3 - Same as 1.
Bikes are better placed than cars since they cannot be ID'd by cameras facing them.
Have a good w/e
VG
Case 1 - Camera flashes twice, takes two superimposed images. Someone measures the distance covered between flashes for each vehicle using white gridlines on the road. Distance divided by time etc.....
Case 2 - Unless culprit is photo'd/flashed twice, he's in the clear.
Case 3 - Same as 1.
Bikes are better placed than cars since they cannot be ID'd by cameras facing them.
Have a good w/e
VG
Whilst some truckers seem intent on 'elephant racing', the queue of motorists in the outer lane behind the 'elephant' doing .01 mph more than his colleague will become increasingly concerned as the end of a dual carriageway approaches. Now, when all they had to do was to accelerate past the winning 'elephant', then pull in and adjust to the correct speed, that was one thing. But now drivers often overtake with barely any speed differential as they are so concerned about scameras - and this leads to impatience and outer lane tailgating, both of which are far more dangerous than 80 mph on a 70 limited dual carriageway.
When they were building the Silverstone bypass and the road was single lane 40mph, I followed a truck for miles which kept slowing down to a crawl on the upslopes, then speeding up on the downslopes. Finally we came to the only bit of road which was dual carriageway and I started to overtake whereupon the ba$tard did his speeding up downhill thing as I was half way past. With a queue behind me, the safer option was to continue to overtake and then to pull in. Which I did only to be flashed by a revenue camera at just under 50mph (there were no roadworks of any description on this section which had been 70 mph the previous week but now had the same nanny-limit as the rest of the road). But I didn't get 'done' - the bŁoody thing was probably out of film as it was placed in an obvious revenue-attracting spot.
Some weeks later I was driving the same road and noticed that the scamera had been burned out. Shame...
Personally I now avoid motorways like the plague as scamera-concerned drivers' behaviour has made them too dangerous.
The government doesn't seem to have noticed that most motorway accidents are HGV-related; perhaps that's because they know that their failed rail system is not a viable alternative. I have also noticed a significant increase in poorly-driven LHD trucks from 'new-EU' states which don't seem to worry about anything else on the road.... Perhaps that's just because they can't see anything about to overtake them?
We need Plod out on the roads sorting out the dangerous, untaxed, drunk and drugged idiots, not resting his fat ar$e in scameravans taking piccies for Fatty Brown!
Oink oink, click click, ching ching.....
When they were building the Silverstone bypass and the road was single lane 40mph, I followed a truck for miles which kept slowing down to a crawl on the upslopes, then speeding up on the downslopes. Finally we came to the only bit of road which was dual carriageway and I started to overtake whereupon the ba$tard did his speeding up downhill thing as I was half way past. With a queue behind me, the safer option was to continue to overtake and then to pull in. Which I did only to be flashed by a revenue camera at just under 50mph (there were no roadworks of any description on this section which had been 70 mph the previous week but now had the same nanny-limit as the rest of the road). But I didn't get 'done' - the bŁoody thing was probably out of film as it was placed in an obvious revenue-attracting spot.
Some weeks later I was driving the same road and noticed that the scamera had been burned out. Shame...
Personally I now avoid motorways like the plague as scamera-concerned drivers' behaviour has made them too dangerous.
The government doesn't seem to have noticed that most motorway accidents are HGV-related; perhaps that's because they know that their failed rail system is not a viable alternative. I have also noticed a significant increase in poorly-driven LHD trucks from 'new-EU' states which don't seem to worry about anything else on the road.... Perhaps that's just because they can't see anything about to overtake them?
We need Plod out on the roads sorting out the dangerous, untaxed, drunk and drugged idiots, not resting his fat ar$e in scameravans taking piccies for Fatty Brown!
Oink oink, click click, ching ching.....
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 254
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Further proof, if any was necessary, that the prime reason for speed cameras is REVENUE!
Speeding 'not a factor' in A12 crashes, yet camera is approved
By David Sapsted
(Filed: 19/04/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../19/ncam19.xml
Speeding was not a factor in any of the accidents cited to gain government approval for a new speed camera, it was revealed yesterday.
The disclosure heightened suspicions that speed cameras are being driven by financial motives, but also caused concern among motoring organisations that the devices were being used as an easy alternative to taking other measures at accident blackspots.
At the centre of the row is a new camera site on a busy stretch of dual carriageway on the A12 at Kelvedon, near Colchester. The Department of Transport (DoT) gave approval last month after the Essex Safety Camera Partnership made an application on the grounds of five accidents in recent years.
An investigation by the East Anglian Daily Times - which used the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to police records - showed that none of the officers' reports into the crashes listed "excessive speed for conditions" as a factor.
Three of the accidents involved crashes with stationary vehicles and the fourth was a pedestrian who had taken drugs and alcohol and was hit by the wing mirror of a passing lorry. In the fifth, a man was seriously injured when he lost control of his car after a sweeping curve.
Edmund King, executive director of the RAC Foundation, said the findings raised "major concerns". He added: "We are now seeing cameras being put on motorways and dual carriageways, which are our safest roads by a long way. There are other factors like fog or tailgating, which have nothing to do with excess speed. Yet these partnerships and the police are putting all their eggs in one basket by concentrating on speed cameras and that does nothing to stop dangerous driving."
Andrew Howard, head of road safety for the AA Motoring Trust, said: "Speed cameras can be defended because people are getting injured and killed on the roads and something needs to be done about it. But it can be argued that speed cameras are becoming a bit of an easy option for the authorities.
"They are much cheaper than putting an extra lane on a dual carriageway or introducing other measures like improved central barriers to make a road safer."
Essex police insisted yesterday that a follow-up survey had shown drivers regularly far exceeding the speed limit along that stretch of the A12.
Kelly Fairweather, of the Essex Safety Camera Partnership - which comprises Essex police, the county council and the Highways Agency - said the new camera would not be a fixed one, but one that operated at irregular intervals from a van on a bridge over the A12. She added: "This location has been approved as a camera site because it has a very high speeding problem."
A spokesman for the DoT said: "We do not give permission for cameras to be sited in a particular place automatically. It has to be proved that there is a problem with accidents and also with speeding at a site.
"The rules do not state that these serious or fatal injury accidents have to be specifically caused by high speed."
Speeding 'not a factor' in A12 crashes, yet camera is approved
By David Sapsted
(Filed: 19/04/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../19/ncam19.xml
Speeding was not a factor in any of the accidents cited to gain government approval for a new speed camera, it was revealed yesterday.
The disclosure heightened suspicions that speed cameras are being driven by financial motives, but also caused concern among motoring organisations that the devices were being used as an easy alternative to taking other measures at accident blackspots.
At the centre of the row is a new camera site on a busy stretch of dual carriageway on the A12 at Kelvedon, near Colchester. The Department of Transport (DoT) gave approval last month after the Essex Safety Camera Partnership made an application on the grounds of five accidents in recent years.
An investigation by the East Anglian Daily Times - which used the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to police records - showed that none of the officers' reports into the crashes listed "excessive speed for conditions" as a factor.
Three of the accidents involved crashes with stationary vehicles and the fourth was a pedestrian who had taken drugs and alcohol and was hit by the wing mirror of a passing lorry. In the fifth, a man was seriously injured when he lost control of his car after a sweeping curve.
Edmund King, executive director of the RAC Foundation, said the findings raised "major concerns". He added: "We are now seeing cameras being put on motorways and dual carriageways, which are our safest roads by a long way. There are other factors like fog or tailgating, which have nothing to do with excess speed. Yet these partnerships and the police are putting all their eggs in one basket by concentrating on speed cameras and that does nothing to stop dangerous driving."
Andrew Howard, head of road safety for the AA Motoring Trust, said: "Speed cameras can be defended because people are getting injured and killed on the roads and something needs to be done about it. But it can be argued that speed cameras are becoming a bit of an easy option for the authorities.
"They are much cheaper than putting an extra lane on a dual carriageway or introducing other measures like improved central barriers to make a road safer."
Essex police insisted yesterday that a follow-up survey had shown drivers regularly far exceeding the speed limit along that stretch of the A12.
Kelly Fairweather, of the Essex Safety Camera Partnership - which comprises Essex police, the county council and the Highways Agency - said the new camera would not be a fixed one, but one that operated at irregular intervals from a van on a bridge over the A12. She added: "This location has been approved as a camera site because it has a very high speeding problem."
A spokesman for the DoT said: "We do not give permission for cameras to be sited in a particular place automatically. It has to be proved that there is a problem with accidents and also with speeding at a site.
"The rules do not state that these serious or fatal injury accidents have to be specifically caused by high speed."
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I was reading a very interesting article regarding road safety yesterday. The RAC is woried about the level of signs and cameras and other distractions on the roadside that drivers are expected to contend with, and considers that it has become so intense in places that road safety is actively compromised by the proliferation of distractions.
The point is made of speed cameras that the criteria for locating them is simplistic, just 4 serious accidents in the location over 2 years, but no account is taken of the accident cause. The point is made that if, for example, accidents have been caused by a dangerous or badly planned junction, adding a camera is not going to do anything to increase safety, but quite the reverse as drivers instead will be checking their speedo, not looking out for the hazard.
It's becoming very clear that not only are speed cameras purely revenue generators, they are also seen as a cheap cost saver as they are used to replace expensive Police and proper redesign of dangerous roads.
The point is made of speed cameras that the criteria for locating them is simplistic, just 4 serious accidents in the location over 2 years, but no account is taken of the accident cause. The point is made that if, for example, accidents have been caused by a dangerous or badly planned junction, adding a camera is not going to do anything to increase safety, but quite the reverse as drivers instead will be checking their speedo, not looking out for the hazard.
It's becoming very clear that not only are speed cameras purely revenue generators, they are also seen as a cheap cost saver as they are used to replace expensive Police and proper redesign of dangerous roads.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Wiltshire
Age: 59
Posts: 903
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The roadworks on the motorways that I have seen have a speed limit of 50mph.
So why does the roadwords at Junct 18 of the M4 have a 40mph speed limit plus speed cameras?
Surely not to catch those who think that the limit is like all other roadworks at 50.
So why does the roadwords at Junct 18 of the M4 have a 40mph speed limit plus speed cameras?
Surely not to catch those who think that the limit is like all other roadworks at 50.