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Just a two cents worth ...
I think Typhoon is the best bit of kit that the RAF has had for years.. Its airshow displays are bloody stunning, it puts tears in my eyes!but PLEASE get it sorted and into service some time before I am too old to go and watch a QRA scramble of them! EAP flew at Farnboro in 1986, I saw P.02 at Farnboro nearly 10 years ago. It has been on the drawing board for the best part of 20 years now..if miltary aircraft procurement had always been this slow, we would have fought Bf109's over Kent in 1940 with Sopwith Snipes!
I know you guys say its worth the wait, but this is taking the p!
I think Typhoon is the best bit of kit that the RAF has had for years.. Its airshow displays are bloody stunning, it puts tears in my eyes!but PLEASE get it sorted and into service some time before I am too old to go and watch a QRA scramble of them! EAP flew at Farnboro in 1986, I saw P.02 at Farnboro nearly 10 years ago. It has been on the drawing board for the best part of 20 years now..if miltary aircraft procurement had always been this slow, we would have fought Bf109's over Kent in 1940 with Sopwith Snipes!
I know you guys say its worth the wait, but this is taking the p!
ATSA,
Almost true - but the Germans would have claimed that there was no need for the Bf109, and would have found themselves using the Fokker DVII as their main aircraft...
if miltary aircraft procurement had always been this slow, we would have fought Bf109's over Kent in 1940 with Sopwith Snipes!
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Fokker DVII v Sopwith Snipe...Hmmmm, a pretty even match! But I digress!
In this age of "missile Platforms" where avionics are king, surely the bugs could have been ironed out by now? Please dont misunderstand me, Typhoon is a bloody brilliant piece of kit, it can run rings round anything the former Soviet bloc can throw against it, and can show Rafale a clean pair of heels, probably out fight a F-22, given the circumstances, but why is it taking so long? The Tornado F3 isnt exactly a "Top Gun", and the Jags, bless em, must be near to falling to bits, so lets a get a few Sqns actually flying it in something like an operational sense, and bury the critics once and for all..actions speak louder than words!
Or am I just being Naive?
In this age of "missile Platforms" where avionics are king, surely the bugs could have been ironed out by now? Please dont misunderstand me, Typhoon is a bloody brilliant piece of kit, it can run rings round anything the former Soviet bloc can throw against it, and can show Rafale a clean pair of heels, probably out fight a F-22, given the circumstances, but why is it taking so long? The Tornado F3 isnt exactly a "Top Gun", and the Jags, bless em, must be near to falling to bits, so lets a get a few Sqns actually flying it in something like an operational sense, and bury the critics once and for all..actions speak louder than words!
Or am I just being Naive?
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Never mind avionics, I think it will need a Gun AND Ammo AND Approval to Use them for that to happen! Worrying given the current state of the F3 Fleet.
Nice ac, shame about the Treasury.
BA
PLEASE get it sorted and into service some time before I am too old to go and watch a QRA scramble of them!
Nice ac, shame about the Treasury.
BA
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It might look cool, and be amazing to fly, and sound good when you buzz your mummies house but, do tell, just how is it going to contribute to the minimization of the terrorist threat.
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It might look cool, and be amazing to fly, and sound good when you buzz your mummies house but, do tell, just how is it going to contribute to the minimization of the terrorist threat
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I'm trying to avoid getting into the slagging match that has broken out but do you not believe that a credible air defence capability and a precision muntion delivery capabiltiy to be a strand of defence/offensive capability against a terrorist threat.
And why this complete focus on the terrorist threat, it's not the only thing the military has been doing for the last 10 years and I suspect not the only issue to be dealt with in the next 10. Been a while since I looked but I believe that our military intent is more than anti-terrorism.
How does this also fit into the argument for retaining an air defence capability such as has been raging on the SHAR thread, could you not argue against SHAR retention on the same basis?
Biggin
AFAIK it does have a gun that uses the same ammo as Tonka and JSF but is short of a loader.
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retard
I'm trying to avoid getting into the slagging match that has broken out but do you not believe that a credible air defence capability and a precision muntion delivery capabiltiy to be a strand of defence/offensive capability against a terrorist threat.
And why this complete focus on the terrorist threat, it's not the only thing the military has been doing for the last 10 years and I suspect not the only issue to be dealt with in the next 10. Been a while since I looked but I believe that our military intent is more than anti-terrorism.
How does this also fit into the argument for retaining an air defence capability such as has been raging on the SHAR thread, could you not argue against SHAR retention on the same basis?
Biggin
AFAIK it does have a gun that uses the same ammo as Tonka and JSF but is short of a loader.
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Just to give this thread a break from the exchange of insulting posts, a word or two of advice for the new aircraft worshippers.
When the Jaguar was spanking new in service a number of the first RAF pilots sang its praises far too loudly and completely ignored all its shortcomings. The net result was great difficulty for many years procuring funding to correct the many deficiencies. The attitude to extra funding was "if it is so good why do you need extra money?".
If you shout the attributes of this new 'wonder' jet too loudly before it has any operational capability you are in danger of repeating a hard won lesson.
When the Jaguar was spanking new in service a number of the first RAF pilots sang its praises far too loudly and completely ignored all its shortcomings. The net result was great difficulty for many years procuring funding to correct the many deficiencies. The attitude to extra funding was "if it is so good why do you need extra money?".
If you shout the attributes of this new 'wonder' jet too loudly before it has any operational capability you are in danger of repeating a hard won lesson.
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Well said.
The SKASaC has a reputation of being able to do anything for anybody (thanks to some over-keen marketing) - but we are critically bereft of radios. DEC ISTAR doesn't give a sh1t.
I DO!
Why? Because we have information comming into the aircraft and are unable to pass it on to those who could use it to save lives - be it fish-head, airman or pongo.
Well said.
The SKASaC has a reputation of being able to do anything for anybody (thanks to some over-keen marketing) - but we are critically bereft of radios. DEC ISTAR doesn't give a sh1t.
I DO!
Why? Because we have information comming into the aircraft and are unable to pass it on to those who could use it to save lives - be it fish-head, airman or pongo.
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Am I right in understanding (following the recent JMC) that the DEC is looking at including a 'Windscreen Replacement Clause' in the next insurance policy?
You're right about the radios though, very frustrating, and I am sure we on the ground only hear a fraction of the AAWC Freq!
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STH
Am I right in understanding (following the recent JMC) that the DEC is looking at including a 'Windscreen Replacement Clause' in the next insurance policy?
You're right about the radios though, very frustrating, and I am sure we on the ground only hear a fraction of the AAWC Freq!
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Ask Tony. Otherwise see below, can't deny it's a gripping read, but in answer to your question I commend the operational context to you:
http://www.mod.uk/linked_files/jdcc/...ns/jwp3_63.pdf
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Retard
Ask Tony. Otherwise see below, can't deny it's a gripping read, but in answer to your question I commend the operational context to you:
http://www.mod.uk/linked_files/jdcc/...ns/jwp3_63.pdf
Regards
Retard
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Just watched Defence Questions in Parliament (yes I know it's sad), and Buffoon was asked about Tranche 3 and whether any decisions had been made. His reply was 'still under discussion', the follow up question was, 'the RAF have said they will not have enough pilots to man tranche 3 ac, Buffoon refused to comment. Is this true?. The Tory man said he was qouting the MOD.
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i love it
i love the typhoon, whenever i have seen and heard it i stand in awe. the guys who drive it, i have spoken with some and they love it. why shouldnt they be. its brand spankin cuttin edge technology which we have built at home.
yes its late, yes its expensive but if there is a job for it to do then im sure it will devour it.
just an aside soddim, can you shed light on what was wrong with the jaguar when it first came out. i spent many a happy time at coltishall drooling over that too.
any lets not get too excited about the typhoon, but also lets look at the acomplishment of british (ahem european) engineering and design. its easy to berate something that only a handful of people have had first hand experience of.
give me 1 british (grrrr european) aircraft any day and i would pay 15 times more than i would for an american equivalent.
yes its late, yes its expensive but if there is a job for it to do then im sure it will devour it.
just an aside soddim, can you shed light on what was wrong with the jaguar when it first came out. i spent many a happy time at coltishall drooling over that too.
any lets not get too excited about the typhoon, but also lets look at the acomplishment of british (ahem european) engineering and design. its easy to berate something that only a handful of people have had first hand experience of.
give me 1 british (grrrr european) aircraft any day and i would pay 15 times more than i would for an american equivalent.
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What's this EFA then?
If you mean Typhoon, then you clearly haven't studied its spec wrt JSF or 15E (!). And as for F22 (!!), you also can't have appreciated all that has been sensibly said before on this forum.
Please don't let's have another p*****g contest debate. Look to the future: for a change it's not too bad at all (that is, in parts, potentially - just to be slightly provactive).
What's this EFA then?
If you mean Typhoon, then you clearly haven't studied its spec wrt JSF or 15E (!). And as for F22 (!!), you also can't have appreciated all that has been sensibly said before on this forum.
Please don't let's have another p*****g contest debate. Look to the future: for a change it's not too bad at all (that is, in parts, potentially - just to be slightly provactive).