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Old 25th Jan 2005, 21:17
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Ladies, Gentleman.... a quick question!
Am i the only person in this modern caring sharing air force who believes that we now operate what is effectively a reverse discrimination policy.
Why oh why do I frequently see, shall we say-- bumpy jumpers( and I don't mean fat herc mates who can't pass their annual fitness test), being afforded far more opportunities, being given far more benefit of doubt, and generally getting far more priority in most aspects of service training/life, than their flat jumpered colleagues??

I'd be most interested to see whether this is just the view of an old knacker like myself, or whether anybody else has similiar thoughts????
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Old 25th Jan 2005, 21:25
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couldnt agree more mate. i've had enough of the positive discrimination that goes on. No longer does your ability really matter... good guys are getting over looked due to the numbers game of having girls in certain positions.....
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I believe it's referred to as Affirmative Action and it's found in all walks of life in the new fluffy huggy luvvie world in which we live. It's not a bad thing..... apparently.
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Solid Rust Twotter,

It is certainly NOT found in all walks of life!

In the fields in which I operate the only thing that can get you anywhere is ability, promotion is on merit and who or what you are counts for nothing, in theory.
If anything the absolute opposite of what you are dripping on about exists, women still face a glass ceiling in most professions and by far the vast majority of those with clout and power are white, male, hetrosexual, middle class or above, protestant and married with 2.1 kids.

I suggest your problem stems from a chronic lack of leadership in the very highest echelons.
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Can't say I've noticed to be honest.

Maybe I'm not paying enough attention but I don't see any of the women I work with getting any special treatment when it comes to jobs and promotions etc. They all seem to do their bit like everyone else and just get on with it.

Non issue IMHO
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Women are but a small part of the AA equation. As you so rightly put it, lack of adequate leadership is the problem and a feel good alternative is introduced as a sop to their critics. I believe all promotion should be on merit but if AA hasn't yet reached all walks of life, it soon will. Merit, hard work and ability will be redundant in the face of the dribbling luvvie refusal to accept it as a basis for promotion or even when appointing someone to do the job.

What price a one legged pygmy lesbian single mother more employable than your average male?
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Old 25th Jan 2005, 22:30
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It seems a bit of a shame to hear that the WRAF are
being afforded far more opportunities, being given far more benefit of doubt, and generally getting far more priority in most aspects of service training/life, than their flat jumpered colleagues
The females in the RN are treated equally and are given the same opportunities, training, pay and respect as every one else. It makes me wonder if that recent thread/news reference abuse in the RAF had any substance.
 
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Views received and understood, but how about this for a change of tack.....

Women in the armed forces are a small percentage of the total man power ('scuse the pun) available. As such the women generally clump together and have more 'girle only' social do's than the blokes. This, due to the more isolated nature of their existance, seems to permiate the rank structure (esp in the Air force, I believe) more than any of the social clubs that the guys have. This could lead to the concern that is voiced by the original poster. I'm saying it may appear to happen, but that is not what is ACTUALLY happening!

Discuss?
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Does this mean it's OK to have an Anne Summers evening in the Mess but not one for the 'Gentlemen'?
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Old 26th Jan 2005, 15:08
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Hyd3, what is wrong with you?

You write like a computer generated RN Boll@cks disseminator programmed with phrases from various out of date BRs by some insane GL T@sser!

The Navy I am in bears no relation the one you keep talking about, THANK GOD!

Just my opinion........
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Females in the RN being treated equally???

hmmm.. didn't seem that way when I did my first part of the aircrew survival training in the New Forest . First day on course they stated if you couldn't pass the 1.5 mile run they wouldn't let you continue on course. One of our girls failed by over a minute, if i remember correctly, and was allowed to continue.

Later on during the week the stretcher run comes around, she gives up after around 2km and does the rest in the back of a Land Rover, she was still allowed to continue the course.

Onto the sea survival drills the next week, she couldn't inflate her single man life raft and claimed that she was being pulled under from the weight of it (despite being in a goon suit full of air and wearing a life jacket), a member of the staff had to help her with inflate it and get into it.

For the course critique at the end they recieved 24 compliants from our group of 25 asking why this one person was allowed to continue with the course having failed on some of the core tasks.

We were told that the decision was out of their hands and they were told to pass this person.

Totally looked to us like a case of positive discrimination.

Having said all this the other girls on our course were absolute stars and had got through it all with no problems. It just seemed they were intent on passing this one girl.
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Old 26th Jan 2005, 16:36
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Tourist,

At last someone types what i have been thinking about Hyd3 since his first post on all threads........ He's an RN PR computer
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Now, just to clarify.....
Many of ythe young lASSEs i have worked with are exceptionally tolerant, hard working and able......However, even they sometimes admit that, had they been graced with meat and two vedge, then things might be rather different....
What am i talking about?..... well, extra flying training hours, more chance of having rules bent(particularly fitness training), photo/TV opportunities(although in fairness I might crack the lens),
For many of the chicks who know me in a proffessional and social arena--I salute and applaud your efforts in a male dominated environment.
Those of you however, who give the rest of the chicks a bad name(and you know who you are), please stop playing the system for all its worth.
Does no-one else have any other examples?
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Old 26th Jan 2005, 18:55
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When a colleague of mine found out she was promoted (she was from a 'visible ethnic minority' - I believe that is the term now) said for all to hear 'I'm glad I'm not a white bloke'. Mind you, she still accepted the offer of promotion!
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Old 26th Jan 2005, 19:22
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V E M or W O G

What's the difference? Both are denigrating TLAs applied to minority groups, in my view. The fact that one was invented by the political correctos and the other wasn't is nihil ad rem....

One of the few things I ever heard that tw@t known as 'Thrombo' say which made some sense was that discrimination only exists when someone makes an issue of it....
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Old 27th Jan 2005, 03:20
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Excuse me! WRAF....is that not in itself a sexist concept?

Why not drop all the prehistoric baggage and simply call it the RAF and include everyone of the off blue uniformed crowd as one big happy family?
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Old 27th Jan 2005, 07:16
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Already been done - some years ago. The branch 'WRAF' ceased to exist about 10 years ago [open to correction in the timescale]. Everybody belongs to the RAF despite the lumpy bits.

Tights and handbags can be issued to all RAF personnel, as opposed to just the WRAF in the good old days...
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Old 27th Jan 2005, 07:23
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I was trying not to be rude. I don't think it would be kind to call the ladies "Crabs" would it?
 
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I don't think it would be kind to call the ladies "Crabs" would it?
Surely it would be discriminatory NOT to do so?
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Old 28th Jan 2005, 08:02
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Ah ha,

Got you Hyd3.

How do you expect equallity with comments like

I don't think it would be kind to call the ladies "Crabs" would it?
Treat everyone fairly, equally, politely and according to the establised rank structure and everyone gets on fine.

Hold doors to everyone as the "gentlemanly" thing rather than for a lady.

I'd love to be old fashioned about things, but in order to be in the 21st century armed forces, one must see only cap badge and rank braid, not lumps or skin colour.

Or is that elitist. F##k it, lets abolish rank as well. Then everone's the same!
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