Bumpy Jumpers
Joined: Nov 2003
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From: Just down the road from ISK
You don't have to go far to see that discrimination does take place, overtly and sponsored by the system. Just look at the fitness test. a 39 yr old bloke has to do around 10 press ups, 26 sit ups and run to level 8/7 at the beep test. (approx figures cos I'm not at work). a younger female has to do much much less.
Now, I appreciate that males and females are different
, however, the fitness test is not a strength or stamina test it is a fitness test. Surely we all need to reach the SAME standard. If I should ever fail, I will argue that I would have passed if I were a woman and, as such, I have been discriminated against.
Having flown in this mob for 20 years, I saw the introduction of female aircrew mid way through my career. At first, most were a poor standard, despite much flex in flying training. Gradually the standard has improved until now, most are on an equal footing. I feel the problem was never ability but that we (the RAF) selected the wrong character types to fill the female numbers gap quickly. The ones that struggled were the more 'girly' ones; the ones that did well were the more bubbly and aggressive ones that fitted in more with the ethos of the time. The same was true with the blokes; shy ones didn't do too well, louder ones integrated and starred. I'm not saying it was right, just that you cant run a Force with a gung-ho ethos for years and then expect it to change overnight because you introduce a few ladies.
I've seen us go from a fighting force to a lovey-dovey tree hugging organisation with customers, performance indicators and other commercial bollocks. It is going too far ladies and gents. I used to enjoy everyb aspect of my job. Now I'm only 100% happy when I hear the wheels thud into the bay on departure and I'm my own boss for the next few hours.
Now, I appreciate that males and females are different
, however, the fitness test is not a strength or stamina test it is a fitness test. Surely we all need to reach the SAME standard. If I should ever fail, I will argue that I would have passed if I were a woman and, as such, I have been discriminated against.Having flown in this mob for 20 years, I saw the introduction of female aircrew mid way through my career. At first, most were a poor standard, despite much flex in flying training. Gradually the standard has improved until now, most are on an equal footing. I feel the problem was never ability but that we (the RAF) selected the wrong character types to fill the female numbers gap quickly. The ones that struggled were the more 'girly' ones; the ones that did well were the more bubbly and aggressive ones that fitted in more with the ethos of the time. The same was true with the blokes; shy ones didn't do too well, louder ones integrated and starred. I'm not saying it was right, just that you cant run a Force with a gung-ho ethos for years and then expect it to change overnight because you introduce a few ladies.
I've seen us go from a fighting force to a lovey-dovey tree hugging organisation with customers, performance indicators and other commercial bollocks. It is going too far ladies and gents. I used to enjoy everyb aspect of my job. Now I'm only 100% happy when I hear the wheels thud into the bay on departure and I'm my own boss for the next few hours.
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 194
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From: UK
Vage Rot,
Well, there are times that the boot is on the other foot. During the IOT fitness tests, I was ordered to halt at 7/6 as I was over twenty five whilst I watched all the others (yes, bumpy jumpers included) still running.
Well, there are times that the boot is on the other foot. During the IOT fitness tests, I was ordered to halt at 7/6 as I was over twenty five whilst I watched all the others (yes, bumpy jumpers included) still running.
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 470
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From: Oxfordshire
Personally, I'd prefer it if we stopped trying to pretend we're all the same, and celebrated the fact we're different.
Sure we're here as a fighting force, but why can't women be women and accepted as such? Why do we have to pretend they're men?
Sure we're here as a fighting force, but why can't women be women and accepted as such? Why do we have to pretend they're men?
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 194
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From: UK
Thank you Vage, I was in fact 25 and one month at the time! I hadn't even broken sweat and asked to run with the others only to be told in no uncertain terms that I mustn't. Must have been scared I'd have a heart attack...
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Tights and handbags can be issued to all RAF personnel, as opposed to just the WRAF in the good old days
reminded me of the occasion when the (W)RNS were issued with white knickers to wear under their tropical white skirts.... (so as to avoid VPL) but the sailors had to purchase thier own underwear and so what did jack to to retaliate......all nipped ashore and bought bright red knicks.....Fantastic....
