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Recall being standby crew in the province one night and got the call to ferry hissed up studes from Belfast to their annual Dinner at Aldergrove - and back again.
Crewman appreciated the sick slopping around.
So please, do not pursue the value for money bollax that some have been mentioning.
And 'No' we would not have been flying anyway, we would have been hoping to spend the night at home...............as we were quite busy at the time.
The issue of using RAF assets to make our lives easier and provide the odd 'jolly' is fully (or 'was') endorsed by this particular puke - but that's another topic, and someone did mention 'cost'!!!!!
Crewman appreciated the sick slopping around.
So please, do not pursue the value for money bollax that some have been mentioning.
And 'No' we would not have been flying anyway, we would have been hoping to spend the night at home...............as we were quite busy at the time.
The issue of using RAF assets to make our lives easier and provide the odd 'jolly' is fully (or 'was') endorsed by this particular puke - but that's another topic, and someone did mention 'cost'!!!!!
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Let's cut this 'cost' bullsh1t - it 'costs' very little to take an aircraft, which we already own, operated by crews, which will be paid anyway, and fly it somewhere for a few hours. 99% of our 'costs' are fixed overheads - in this case, the only variable is fuel, which we pay absolute peanuts for. You could also argue maintenance as a 'cost', but since we own the engineers and facilities, almost all of this is fixed overheads as well.
Supposedly incurred 'costs' are simply accountancy trickery in order to justify the bean counters existence. Point in case - after the advent of civilianised EFT, the question of savings by civilianising BFT was seriously looked at. Someone I know was asked to work out EXACTLY how much 1hr of flying training in a Tucano 'costs' - included in this were the salaries of QFI and stude, engineers for maintenance, even the salaries of the blunties on the station who 'support' the task. The result was that a 1hr training sortie cost £xxxxx (i cannot recall actual figure). To then say 'let's reduce costs by cutting flying hours', or that 'this 2hr jolly of yours has cost the Mod £xxxxx' is a ridiculous and specious argument, but it is one you will hear the beancounters using all the time. BOLLOCKS!
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Supposedly incurred 'costs' are simply accountancy trickery in order to justify the bean counters existence. Point in case - after the advent of civilianised EFT, the question of savings by civilianising BFT was seriously looked at. Someone I know was asked to work out EXACTLY how much 1hr of flying training in a Tucano 'costs' - included in this were the salaries of QFI and stude, engineers for maintenance, even the salaries of the blunties on the station who 'support' the task. The result was that a 1hr training sortie cost £xxxxx (i cannot recall actual figure). To then say 'let's reduce costs by cutting flying hours', or that 'this 2hr jolly of yours has cost the Mod £xxxxx' is a ridiculous and specious argument, but it is one you will hear the beancounters using all the time. BOLLOCKS!
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Like I said, I'm all for it, it's our train set isn't it?
Snag is, we don't own grobs/engineers anymore.
Someone, somewhere, costed 1hr in a grob at £800 for our F£C customers. Nice work if you can get it!
Like I said, I'm all for it, it's our train set isn't it?
Snag is, we don't own grobs/engineers anymore.
Someone, somewhere, costed 1hr in a grob at £800 for our F£C customers. Nice work if you can get it!
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Everyone would benefit more if Air Cadet's actually did some proper flying training rather than aeros on an AEF. Tutor for UAS only, ATC AEF on the vigilant and Gliding scholarship on the viking. Far more cost effective.
Sounds like a good idea Flik - but with the extra tasking at Viking level - it will only cause grief for those whom have to fight her-in-doors for the weekend!
And even if we are one of the biggest VGS in the land, we can't operate all our 'frames off the short drag
And just to add to the mix - some of the conventional fleet are over half way thorugh life-ex. What will happen at life-ex? Possibly no flying for Air Cadets at all. Might as well roll in the mud or go for a swim.....
Sounds like a good idea Flik - but with the extra tasking at Viking level - it will only cause grief for those whom have to fight her-in-doors for the weekend!
And even if we are one of the biggest VGS in the land, we can't operate all our 'frames off the short drag
And just to add to the mix - some of the conventional fleet are over half way thorugh life-ex. What will happen at life-ex? Possibly no flying for Air Cadets at all. Might as well roll in the mud or go for a swim.....
Kippermate,
you're quite right - should have stated 'rate'.
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I've been informed that the the revenue goes to the FO, not the Defence Budget. The project could have been self-financing and possibly making it feasible to train some future RAF pilots on the back of it!!
you're quite right - should have stated 'rate'.
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I've been informed that the the revenue goes to the FO, not the Defence Budget. The project could have been self-financing and possibly making it feasible to train some future RAF pilots on the back of it!!
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Cat5 from what I hear anyway the Air Cadet Org won't be able to much soon anyway as there is so much in the way of H&S.
I'm sure that they will dissapear along with the ageing fleet!
I'm sure that they will dissapear along with the ageing fleet!
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Let's hope the Conservatives get back in, for a start. 
ShyTorque,
Yeah right, that'll really help the UAS system........... NOT!
Who do you think started all this contracting out and privatisation in the frst place? With their stated aim of privatising or contracting out over a dozen defence agencies, saving an additional £2.7Bn through "efficiency savings and restructuring" I would suggest they would be the kiss of the death for the UAS and a lot more.
Yeah right, that'll really help the UAS system........... NOT!
Who do you think started all this contracting out and privatisation in the frst place? With their stated aim of privatising or contracting out over a dozen defence agencies, saving an additional £2.7Bn through "efficiency savings and restructuring" I would suggest they would be the kiss of the death for the UAS and a lot more.
Old Mad Maggie's lot with their Thatcher-greed mentality did indeed start the rot, pr00ne, but that gurning idiot and the rest of his slimy crew have done nothing to change matters during their many years of misrule.
True BEagle, alas very true.
One of the hopes I had back in 1997 was that we would see an end to contractorisation and privatisation with perhaps a limited clawing back of some existing contracts when they came to an end.
Unfortunatley it appears to have gone the other way with the current regime being even fiercer advocates of the dreaded PFI. I still cannot quite come to terms with the fact that it is a Labour government who are presiding over the FSTA nonsense.
Still, better the devil you know, I wouldn't trust Letwin an inch with defence spending, he would make the Portillo era seem like sweetness and light.
One of the hopes I had back in 1997 was that we would see an end to contractorisation and privatisation with perhaps a limited clawing back of some existing contracts when they came to an end.
Unfortunatley it appears to have gone the other way with the current regime being even fiercer advocates of the dreaded PFI. I still cannot quite come to terms with the fact that it is a Labour government who are presiding over the FSTA nonsense.
Still, better the devil you know, I wouldn't trust Letwin an inch with defence spending, he would make the Portillo era seem like sweetness and light.
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About time me thinks...
Let's be honest, when we can't even send our squaddies into the desert with the requisite kit it's long overdue that we dismantle the UAS flying circuses.
I know it's a great shame... former air marshalls will now have to crack on and find themselves some alternative flying clubs.
VMT
I know it's a great shame...
former air marshalls will now have to crack on and find themselves some alternative flying clubs.VMT