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I propose the following:
1. Arrogant and conceited aircrew - there are still some of them, albeit not on PPRUNE of course.
2. ISS - the ECC
3. Mobile phones in confined spaces
4. Deep Trench Latrines
5. Iraqi insurgents
6. American Private Security Details in Iraq
7. Mortar, rocket and rifle rounds landing in the perimeter
8. Fun-sized CBA plates
9. Mosquito's
10. UHT Milk
That will do for now.
1. Arrogant and conceited aircrew - there are still some of them, albeit not on PPRUNE of course.
2. ISS - the ECC
3. Mobile phones in confined spaces
4. Deep Trench Latrines
5. Iraqi insurgents
6. American Private Security Details in Iraq
7. Mortar, rocket and rifle rounds landing in the perimeter
8. Fun-sized CBA plates
9. Mosquito's
10. UHT Milk
That will do for now.
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The road planners of Cornwall.
Oh and the slow witted drivers on such said roads that dare'nt go above 35 miles an hour - which seems to be the unofficial cornish speed limit.
Cant believe that truro is perhaps the only city in the land that does not have a bypass / motorway in, through, over or under it. Infact there are no motorways in this EU funded armpit of europe.
Oh and the slow witted drivers on such said roads that dare'nt go above 35 miles an hour - which seems to be the unofficial cornish speed limit.
Cant believe that truro is perhaps the only city in the land that does not have a bypass / motorway in, through, over or under it. Infact there are no motorways in this EU funded armpit of europe.
PR00NE!
What! You seriously want the military to run the whole country? They can't make a decent job of organising, equipping and motivating less than 180,000 people, let alone 60 million
We are the ones who actually do the work and don't care about the knighthood or appointment to the board of BWoS.
Or do you prefer the shambles in power at the moment!
PROONE
Your comments are harsh to say the least. Many politicians acknowledge that if some of the other ministries (health, transport, social security, etc, etc) were as well run as "the armed forces" (please do not insert MOD or DPA here) then there would be a lot less waste, better organization and more efficiency in those ministries.
Your comments are harsh to say the least.
Many politicians acknowledge that if some of the other ministries (health, transport, social security, etc, etc) were as well run as "the armed forces" (please do not insert MOD or DPA here) then there would be a lot less waste, better organization and more efficiency in those ministries.
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Training Risky,
I was a Flt Lt and that comment most certainly IS aimed at such folk, one thing any *star upward has in his cupboard is the fact that at one time he/she was a Flt Lt!
Roland Pulfrew,
My comment was harsh because I see nothing funny or witty in the idea of a military coup!
As for the effeciency of the military, come on, get real! If you like living in a military dictatorship then fine, otherwise it is totaly irrelavent to any other form of existence.
I have seen the "military machine" at work from the inside, from the outside as a contractor and also most recently from legal contractual involvement, I know a complete horlix when I see one.
I was a Flt Lt and that comment most certainly IS aimed at such folk, one thing any *star upward has in his cupboard is the fact that at one time he/she was a Flt Lt!
Roland Pulfrew,
My comment was harsh because I see nothing funny or witty in the idea of a military coup!
As for the effeciency of the military, come on, get real! If you like living in a military dictatorship then fine, otherwise it is totaly irrelavent to any other form of existence.
I have seen the "military machine" at work from the inside, from the outside as a contractor and also most recently from legal contractual involvement, I know a complete horlix when I see one.
Well PR00NE, you must have been SUCH a great asset and useful Flt Lt and pilot that you jacked it all in to become a lee.... (sorry, commercial lawyer)
Thanks for your service, don't let the door hit your as* on the way out!
If only we had the efficiency of the legal profession - we could sue each other in a continuing circle of blame
Thanks for your service, don't let the door hit your as* on the way out!
If only we had the efficiency of the legal profession - we could sue each other in a continuing circle of blame
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And my ten pennies worth:
1. Ex officers who insist on using their rank as a title (Maj/Sqn Ldr Bloggs - T0$$ers)
2. Fat lardy bloaters who trough/swill their way through their military careers while adroitly avoiding anything operational.
3. Female ATC controllers who bimbo their way around the RAF as FJ aircrew groupies.
4. Flight Ops, bleedin' waste of time that lot are.
5. The fuedal messing system that still exists in todays BritMil.
6. Bimbo females who drip all day about the fitness test and how hard it is for them....
7. The secondary duty system in the RAF and how some seem to spend their entire day writing Constitutions/TORs etc for bars various without actually doing anything remotely primarily productive.
8. The RAF spin merchants. The kit is crap, will always be crap and everybody knows it so stop trying to convince us it isn't!
9. The RAF News. Bin it now, please. A truly awful rag of the utmost uselessness.
10. The entire ATC branch, a group of civvies the lot of them.
11. And one for luck, 90% of the RAF. A bunch of self serving civilians in uniform most of them.
1. Ex officers who insist on using their rank as a title (Maj/Sqn Ldr Bloggs - T0$$ers)
2. Fat lardy bloaters who trough/swill their way through their military careers while adroitly avoiding anything operational.
3. Female ATC controllers who bimbo their way around the RAF as FJ aircrew groupies.
4. Flight Ops, bleedin' waste of time that lot are.
5. The fuedal messing system that still exists in todays BritMil.
6. Bimbo females who drip all day about the fitness test and how hard it is for them....
7. The secondary duty system in the RAF and how some seem to spend their entire day writing Constitutions/TORs etc for bars various without actually doing anything remotely primarily productive.
8. The RAF spin merchants. The kit is crap, will always be crap and everybody knows it so stop trying to convince us it isn't!
9. The RAF News. Bin it now, please. A truly awful rag of the utmost uselessness.
10. The entire ATC branch, a group of civvies the lot of them.
11. And one for luck, 90% of the RAF. A bunch of self serving civilians in uniform most of them.
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DK338
Second that on fitness, but make it:
Anyone who drips all day about the fitness test and how hard it is for them - and/or says "I'm fit enough to sit here and wiggle my stick/mouse/other small device"
You are in a fighting force, remember!
Second that on fitness, but make it:
Anyone who drips all day about the fitness test and how hard it is for them - and/or says "I'm fit enough to sit here and wiggle my stick/mouse/other small device"
You are in a fighting force, remember!
proone
Get real! As I said leaving MOD and DPA aside, then the armed forces are well run. Just look at what this (relatively) small professional set of services have achieved. If only the other government departments were set the same "savings targets" (ie do more with less) that the armed forces are, we wouldn't be paying as much in tax! Your comments are, IMHO, naive. If we weren't well run, well trained and gained significant experience in organizational capabilities then there wouldn't be such an open market in other sectors for ex-military personnel, dare I say even in the law market!! Yes lots of *d officers go to industry, but then so do lots of other personnel. If industry recognises this talent then why shouldn't OGDs? Yes there have been problems, temperate boots in the desert etc etc, but this is true of many large and small businesses. Civil industry is no better. I know I have just spent some time working with several. The only thing they are better at is paying lawyers to get them out of tight legal corners and usurping their responsibilities - is that where you fit in?
Get real!
As I said leaving MOD and DPA aside, then the armed forces are well run. Just look at what this (relatively) small professional set of services have achieved. If only the other government departments were set the same "savings targets" (ie do more with less) that the armed forces are, we wouldn't be paying as much in tax! Your comments are, IMHO, naive. If we weren't well run, well trained and gained significant experience in organizational capabilities then there wouldn't be such an open market in other sectors for ex-military personnel, dare I say even in the law market!! Yes lots of *d officers go to industry, but then so do lots of other personnel. If industry recognises this talent then why shouldn't OGDs? Yes there have been problems, temperate boots in the desert etc etc, but this is true of many large and small businesses. Civil industry is no better. I know I have just spent some time working with several. The only thing they are better at is paying lawyers to get them out of tight legal corners and usurping their responsibilities - is that where you fit in?
Training Risky,
Yep, I consider myself to have been a pretty useful asset, fairly accomplished Flt Lt, and I was considered a useful F-4 front seater even if I was only ever a Sqn shag.
I did 2 tours cr FJ, how many did you do?
As to jacking it in, well, I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions, wouldn’t let me grow my hair long (it was the mid 70’s after all!) didn’t like the fact I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM and had absolutely no interest in secondary duties. So I went, and not quietly!
BTW,
I’m a Barrister, not a “commercial lawyer” look it up in a dictionary……………..
You are bitter and twisted, been chopped?
Roland,
Yes, the services are well run, as a fighting force, however, I was responding in the context of a military coup to run the country, a rather different scenario I am sure you agree.
As to “such an open market in other sectors for ex-military personnel” Hhhmmm……………………afraid I have never swallowed that, my experience, albeit I speak AS ex-military personnel, is entirely the opposite.
“Yes lots of *d officers go to industry” I am afraid far too many go to the defence industry, and look at the state THATS’s in!
As to where I fit in, afraid you’re a bit off track there old chap.
Yep, I consider myself to have been a pretty useful asset, fairly accomplished Flt Lt, and I was considered a useful F-4 front seater even if I was only ever a Sqn shag.
I did 2 tours cr FJ, how many did you do?
As to jacking it in, well, I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions, wouldn’t let me grow my hair long (it was the mid 70’s after all!) didn’t like the fact I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM and had absolutely no interest in secondary duties. So I went, and not quietly!
BTW,
I’m a Barrister, not a “commercial lawyer” look it up in a dictionary……………..
You are bitter and twisted, been chopped?
Roland,
Yes, the services are well run, as a fighting force, however, I was responding in the context of a military coup to run the country, a rather different scenario I am sure you agree.
As to “such an open market in other sectors for ex-military personnel” Hhhmmm……………………afraid I have never swallowed that, my experience, albeit I speak AS ex-military personnel, is entirely the opposite.
“Yes lots of *d officers go to industry” I am afraid far too many go to the defence industry, and look at the state THATS’s in!
As to where I fit in, afraid you’re a bit off track there old chap.
PR00NE
I very well may have been chopped, but that does not make me bitter and twisted. Neither does my post to you make me appear so. I learned long ago to come to terms with my situation.
I just have a general mistrust of anyone who throws their toys into the corner of the mess, jacking in a career because the nasty PMC wants him to sit on the Ents committee and won't let him grow his hair long.... boo hoo!
A barrister (and I got the term 'commercial law' from your profile) who rakes in a sh*tload of cash, sniping at his previous employer, does not inspire confidence in me or (I imagine) the rest of the armed forces.
Now to get this thread back on track, how about stepping through the door into Room 101. There is a nice man in here with a box of rats for you.......
I just have a general mistrust of anyone who throws their toys into the corner of the mess, jacking in a career because the nasty PMC wants him to sit on the Ents committee and won't let him grow his hair long.... boo hoo!
A barrister (and I got the term 'commercial law' from your profile) who rakes in a sh*tload of cash, sniping at his previous employer, does not inspire confidence in me or (I imagine) the rest of the armed forces.
Now to get this thread back on track, how about stepping through the door into Room 101. There is a nice man in here with a box of rats for you.......
"Hey, man - I mean, like, what a bummer. The fascists won't let me grow my hair..... An' their rules like suck, man"
I have this mental picture of 'Neil' from 'The Young Ones' in flying kit....
I have this mental picture of 'Neil' from 'The Young Ones' in flying kit....
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Green Meat,
Nice try matey but I'm not aircrew, Just don't like RAF air traffickers thats all. They're mainly a bunch of snivelling wannabe NATS controllers lacking in officer/SNCO qualities. There are exceptions obviously but not enough to matter.
Nice try matey but I'm not aircrew, Just don't like RAF air traffickers thats all. They're mainly a bunch of snivelling wannabe NATS controllers lacking in officer/SNCO qualities. There are exceptions obviously but not enough to matter.
jindabyne,
Against what?
I objected to a rather fatous claim that a military coup would be a good idea and rather diverted the thread with my reasons for resigning my commision a LONG time ago.
I still think the military would make a right horlix of running the country.
More?
Against what?
I objected to a rather fatous claim that a military coup would be a good idea and rather diverted the thread with my reasons for resigning my commision a LONG time ago.
I still think the military would make a right horlix of running the country.
More?
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"Yep, I consider myself to have been a pretty useful asset, fairly accomplished Flt Lt, and I was considered a useful F-4 front seater even if I was only ever a Sqn shag.
I did 2 tours cr FJ, how many did you do?
As to jacking it in, well, I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions, wouldn’t let me grow my hair long (it was the mid 70’s after all!) didn’t like the fact I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM and had absolutely no interest in secondary duties. So I went, and not quietly!"
As I said m'lud, cred gone. Close the door behind you old chap, quietly please
I did 2 tours cr FJ, how many did you do?
As to jacking it in, well, I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions, wouldn’t let me grow my hair long (it was the mid 70’s after all!) didn’t like the fact I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM and had absolutely no interest in secondary duties. So I went, and not quietly!"
As I said m'lud, cred gone. Close the door behind you old chap, quietly please