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The devil and the deep blue sea
By Elizabeth Day
(Filed: 24/10/2004)
Link to Telegraph story CLICK HERE
Naval Technician Chris Crammer 'Just One of the Lads'.
A devil-worshipping non-commissioned officer in the Royal Navy has become the first registered Satanist in the British Armed Forces.
Chris Cranmer, a naval technician serving on the Type 22 frigate Cumberland, has been officially recognised as a Satanist by the ship's captain. That allows him to perform Satanic rituals aboard and permits him to have a funeral carried out by the Church of Satan should he be killed in action.
Anton LeVey: founded the Church of Satan, was also known as the 'Black Pope'
Ldg Hand Cranmer is now lobbying the Ministry of Defence to make Satanism a registered religion in the Armed Forces so that Satanists can join up without "fear of marginalisation and the necessity to put up with Christian dogma".
Mr Cranmer, who has been aboard the Cumberland's tour of duty in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf since April, said that being registered as a Satanist gave him "the freedom of religion I wanted despite its controversial nature".
Satanists are encouraged to perform rituals in worship of the Devil, to fulfil their sexual desires and to change situations or events in accordance with their will. Ritual trappings can include a black robe, an altar, the symbol of Baphomet (Satan), candles, a bell, a sword, a gong and a model phallus.
Mr Cranmer, 24, is single and from Edinburgh. He has been in the Navy for four years and was promoted leading hand - the naval equivalent of corporal - in July last year. He told The Telegraph that he realised he was a Satanist nine years ago when he "stumbled across The Satanic Bible. I then read more and came to realise I'd always been a Satanist, just simply never knew."
He added that he had been "warmly congratulated" by his friends and family for becoming the Armed Forces' first Satanist but did not feel that the war in Iraq was "the Devil's work".
"From a military perspective, I believe in vengeance. I don't consider Satan to be an intelligently external force in my life; instead I consider it an empowering internal force. If I were asked if I were evil, I would say yes - by virtue of the common definition. However, if you asked my family and friends you would hear a resounding 'no'. I get a massive amount from my career, while sacrificing little."
Mr Cranmer added: "Freedom to practise my religion irrespective of location was one of the most important factors. I didn't want to feel I couldn't get out my Satanic Bible and relax in bed. I didn't want to bite my tongue any more when dealing with idiots.
"First, I can read what I want and express Satanic opinions without fear of prejudice. Second, I no longer have to attend religious ceremonial duties and am excused from all of them.
"Third, I will have a space provided for Satanic ritual practice - I'm not a habitual visitor to the [ritual] chamber, but to know that I have the facilities to use if need be is indeed a comfort. Fourth, I will not be subject to a denominational burial should I be killed in action. The Church of Satan will be contacted to provide a service, and if this is impossible, a non-denominational service will be performed."
The Church of Satan was founded in San Francisco in 1966 by its high priest, Anton Szandor LaVey, author of The Stanic Bible. Adherents live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek", "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification", and "Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence".
To register as a Satanist, Mr Cranmer was required to make an initial submission to his divisional officer, who assessed any security implications. According to Rule Satannia, the official magazine of the Church of Satan to be launched on November 1, Mr Cranmer was then required to give a 30-minute presentation in June to the chaplain and senior officers on board, explaining the tenets of Satanism. The commanding officer, Capt Russell Best, granted his request a month later.
Unlike members of the Army and Air Force, recruits to the Navy do not have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen as head of the Armed Forces.
The arrival of the Navy's first Satanist shocked veterans. Admiral Sir Sandy Woodward, the former Commander of the South Atlantic Task Groups in the Falklands War and a Flag Aide-de-Camp to the Queen in 1989, said that Satanism would be "terribly undesirable" on a ship.
"My immediate reaction is 'Good God, what the hell's going on?' " he said. "When I was serving, you were either Church of England or Roman Catholic, but I never heard of any Satanists. This sounds pretty daft to me."
A spokesman for the Royal Navy insisted that Mr Cranmer's unconventional beliefs would not cause problems on board ship. "We are an equal opportunities employer and we don't stop anybody from having their own religious values," he said.
He added: "Chris Cranmer approached his captain and made a request to be registered as a Satanist. This involved a formal stand-up approach, made in front of an audience, saying that he wanted to register as a Satanist and to practise his religious beliefs.
"The Royal Navy allows this kind of approach because it is clearly in line with current regulations. We are not aware of any other individuals who want to be registered as Satanists.
"Our policy is that, wherever practical, reasonable requests for time and facilities that do not impact on operational effectiveness or the welfare of other personnel, are met. The captain said that this decision was entirely up to the individual and that he is a good lad, a good worker on board. Nobody is suggesting there is anything at all dark about this."
Beware young virgins in the RAF.
By Elizabeth Day
(Filed: 24/10/2004)
Link to Telegraph story CLICK HERE
Naval Technician Chris Crammer 'Just One of the Lads'.
A devil-worshipping non-commissioned officer in the Royal Navy has become the first registered Satanist in the British Armed Forces.
Chris Cranmer, a naval technician serving on the Type 22 frigate Cumberland, has been officially recognised as a Satanist by the ship's captain. That allows him to perform Satanic rituals aboard and permits him to have a funeral carried out by the Church of Satan should he be killed in action.
Anton LeVey: founded the Church of Satan, was also known as the 'Black Pope'
Ldg Hand Cranmer is now lobbying the Ministry of Defence to make Satanism a registered religion in the Armed Forces so that Satanists can join up without "fear of marginalisation and the necessity to put up with Christian dogma".
Mr Cranmer, who has been aboard the Cumberland's tour of duty in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf since April, said that being registered as a Satanist gave him "the freedom of religion I wanted despite its controversial nature".
Satanists are encouraged to perform rituals in worship of the Devil, to fulfil their sexual desires and to change situations or events in accordance with their will. Ritual trappings can include a black robe, an altar, the symbol of Baphomet (Satan), candles, a bell, a sword, a gong and a model phallus.
Mr Cranmer, 24, is single and from Edinburgh. He has been in the Navy for four years and was promoted leading hand - the naval equivalent of corporal - in July last year. He told The Telegraph that he realised he was a Satanist nine years ago when he "stumbled across The Satanic Bible. I then read more and came to realise I'd always been a Satanist, just simply never knew."
He added that he had been "warmly congratulated" by his friends and family for becoming the Armed Forces' first Satanist but did not feel that the war in Iraq was "the Devil's work".
"From a military perspective, I believe in vengeance. I don't consider Satan to be an intelligently external force in my life; instead I consider it an empowering internal force. If I were asked if I were evil, I would say yes - by virtue of the common definition. However, if you asked my family and friends you would hear a resounding 'no'. I get a massive amount from my career, while sacrificing little."
Mr Cranmer added: "Freedom to practise my religion irrespective of location was one of the most important factors. I didn't want to feel I couldn't get out my Satanic Bible and relax in bed. I didn't want to bite my tongue any more when dealing with idiots.
"First, I can read what I want and express Satanic opinions without fear of prejudice. Second, I no longer have to attend religious ceremonial duties and am excused from all of them.
"Third, I will have a space provided for Satanic ritual practice - I'm not a habitual visitor to the [ritual] chamber, but to know that I have the facilities to use if need be is indeed a comfort. Fourth, I will not be subject to a denominational burial should I be killed in action. The Church of Satan will be contacted to provide a service, and if this is impossible, a non-denominational service will be performed."
The Church of Satan was founded in San Francisco in 1966 by its high priest, Anton Szandor LaVey, author of The Stanic Bible. Adherents live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek", "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification", and "Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence".
To register as a Satanist, Mr Cranmer was required to make an initial submission to his divisional officer, who assessed any security implications. According to Rule Satannia, the official magazine of the Church of Satan to be launched on November 1, Mr Cranmer was then required to give a 30-minute presentation in June to the chaplain and senior officers on board, explaining the tenets of Satanism. The commanding officer, Capt Russell Best, granted his request a month later.
Unlike members of the Army and Air Force, recruits to the Navy do not have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen as head of the Armed Forces.
The arrival of the Navy's first Satanist shocked veterans. Admiral Sir Sandy Woodward, the former Commander of the South Atlantic Task Groups in the Falklands War and a Flag Aide-de-Camp to the Queen in 1989, said that Satanism would be "terribly undesirable" on a ship.
"My immediate reaction is 'Good God, what the hell's going on?' " he said. "When I was serving, you were either Church of England or Roman Catholic, but I never heard of any Satanists. This sounds pretty daft to me."
A spokesman for the Royal Navy insisted that Mr Cranmer's unconventional beliefs would not cause problems on board ship. "We are an equal opportunities employer and we don't stop anybody from having their own religious values," he said.
He added: "Chris Cranmer approached his captain and made a request to be registered as a Satanist. This involved a formal stand-up approach, made in front of an audience, saying that he wanted to register as a Satanist and to practise his religious beliefs.
"The Royal Navy allows this kind of approach because it is clearly in line with current regulations. We are not aware of any other individuals who want to be registered as Satanists.
"Our policy is that, wherever practical, reasonable requests for time and facilities that do not impact on operational effectiveness or the welfare of other personnel, are met. The captain said that this decision was entirely up to the individual and that he is a good lad, a good worker on board. Nobody is suggesting there is anything at all dark about this."
Beware young virgins in the RAF.
Not funny at all.
I'm far from being a god-botherer, but the vile activities associated with this non-religion are wholly out of place in a civilised society. Or even the navy.
I cannot imagine why this was condoned, but if they idiot who did so knew the full facts about this very dangerous cult following, he would hopefully have thought rather more carefully and refused any such nonsense.
I'm far from being a god-botherer, but the vile activities associated with this non-religion are wholly out of place in a civilised society. Or even the navy.
I cannot imagine why this was condoned, but if they idiot who did so knew the full facts about this very dangerous cult following, he would hopefully have thought rather more carefully and refused any such nonsense.
"....he is a good lad, a good worker......"
That's what was thought about someone at an RAF base until Plod came calling one day during a paedophile investigation.
That's what was thought about someone at an RAF base until Plod came calling one day during a paedophile investigation.
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Sounds like a visit to the chain locker is required 
I don't think he'll last long once the word gets round. What's tolerated by their lordships isn't always tolerated by a ships company.
I don't think he'll last long once the word gets round. What's tolerated by their lordships isn't always tolerated by a ships company.
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Hardly a precedent here---I once met a very horny little devil during a brief visit to sunny Culdrose---although I suppose she was more of a ministering angel at the time 
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BEagle,
Tell me a religion that has not caused some concern. Catholics dont like condoms or abortion. Muslims dont like pork chops, bacon sarniees or homosexuals. C of E cant make up their minds up. Hindus don't like any military at all. American evangelicals dont like anybody but god fairing americans.
Give the bloke a chance, he probably has the safest religion of all.
Tell me a religion that has not caused some concern. Catholics dont like condoms or abortion. Muslims dont like pork chops, bacon sarniees or homosexuals. C of E cant make up their minds up. Hindus don't like any military at all. American evangelicals dont like anybody but god fairing americans.
Give the bloke a chance, he probably has the safest religion of all.
Suspicion breeds confidence
20 years ago, the lad in question would have been invited in to a quiet corner by a FCPO and the consequences of continuing his course of action explained to him. Things HAVE changed.
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Hm
Reminds me of the Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch mocking telly documentaries.....entitled "The Devil...Is he all bad?"
But anyway
Assume this Jolly Jack Tar will be working Christmas Day then?
But anyway
Assume this Jolly Jack Tar will be working Christmas Day then?
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Starting the search now.
Will I find anything worse than the abuse of children by catholic priests, the ferocious killings by muslims, the blind eye turned by C of E? I will have a look!
BEagle
Nothing found on SRA. Church of Satan found and I cant believe you are concerned about these jokers. Its like watching Father Ted and being concered about Catholics.
Starting the search now.
Will I find anything worse than the abuse of children by catholic priests, the ferocious killings by muslims, the blind eye turned by C of E? I will have a look!
BEagle
Nothing found on SRA. Church of Satan found and I cant believe you are concerned about these jokers. Its like watching Father Ted and being concered about Catholics.
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Am I not correct in thinking that the Captain is responsible for ensuring his Ship's Company follow a set of rules (Articles of War?...my memory fails me as to exact title) but I remember that the 1st Article states that he is responsible for ensuring regular worship onboard etc
I'm sure this didn't mean DEVIL worship! We really have gone too pc now
I'm sure this didn't mean DEVIL worship! We really have gone too pc now
Religion can have its lighter side....
When I joined Cranwell as a Flt Cdt, amongst the 150 or so on our entry were a few ex-apprentices, victims of the TSR2 'Supertech' era. We all had to declare our religion; most were CofE, RC or CSFC.
The ex-apps thought they'd be clever and become agnostics. When told that this would involve many searching interviews, they relented and decided that they'd think again. A few days later the RC padre was astonished to learn that they'd all decided to be RCs. Just as he was getting ready to pack for a congratulatory trip to the Vatican, he decided to do a bit more delving...
The reason? Well, the CofE had a parade at 1030 with an inspection, then marched to the church where the service started at 1100; after ogling the Ass Cmdt's daughter's ar$e for an hour, they marched back to the JMPG and were lucky to be free by 1230. The CSFC gathered in the JM entrance at 1000, then marched themselves to the CSFC church and were finished by 1100... Whereas the RCs just turned up at their church at 0930 for a bit of 'Benedictine in decanter per Julie Christie' and were usually legging it whilst we poor saps were still marching... Hence the astonishing religious conversion - they weren't silly!
The there was the black mate patrolling belfast who was asked whether he was Catholic or Protestant by some old biddie. "Lady, we've got more problems than that to worry about", he was reputed to have said. Another squaddie was asked the same question and replied that he was Jewish. "Would that be a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew" was the reply.
But there's nothing even faintly amusing about the sickening acts of depravity conducted by self-styled devil worshippers. I wonder just how slippery the decks of HMS Cumberland are in the middle of the night near the lee guard rail?
When I joined Cranwell as a Flt Cdt, amongst the 150 or so on our entry were a few ex-apprentices, victims of the TSR2 'Supertech' era. We all had to declare our religion; most were CofE, RC or CSFC.
The ex-apps thought they'd be clever and become agnostics. When told that this would involve many searching interviews, they relented and decided that they'd think again. A few days later the RC padre was astonished to learn that they'd all decided to be RCs. Just as he was getting ready to pack for a congratulatory trip to the Vatican, he decided to do a bit more delving...
The reason? Well, the CofE had a parade at 1030 with an inspection, then marched to the church where the service started at 1100; after ogling the Ass Cmdt's daughter's ar$e for an hour, they marched back to the JMPG and were lucky to be free by 1230. The CSFC gathered in the JM entrance at 1000, then marched themselves to the CSFC church and were finished by 1100... Whereas the RCs just turned up at their church at 0930 for a bit of 'Benedictine in decanter per Julie Christie' and were usually legging it whilst we poor saps were still marching... Hence the astonishing religious conversion - they weren't silly!
The there was the black mate patrolling belfast who was asked whether he was Catholic or Protestant by some old biddie. "Lady, we've got more problems than that to worry about", he was reputed to have said. Another squaddie was asked the same question and replied that he was Jewish. "Would that be a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew" was the reply.
But there's nothing even faintly amusing about the sickening acts of depravity conducted by self-styled devil worshippers. I wonder just how slippery the decks of HMS Cumberland are in the middle of the night near the lee guard rail?
Well if the MoD does like to "...recruit from all sections of society...", then this chap should suffer no harassment. I mean, we have all types of heathens in the mob these days, definitely not on!!!!!! Take an enforced break from this thread!
For how long?
For how long?
Last edited by Training Risky; 25th Oct 2004 at 08:10.
Racially abusive as well as inaccurate, Training Risky.
A heathen is "One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam."
A heathen is "One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam."
Most (if not all) faiths * have similarities. Therefore they might be said to consider so truth. They also involve concepts such as right or wrong, compassion and concern for others, and faith in there being more to life than the physical side..............
* Including those that don't include belief in God in a Christian/Jewish/Islamic context........
Satanism rejects all the above, involves no sense of morality or compassion, and places emphasis on not following rules and deliberately being different - sometimes intenionally setting out to do harm.
Would you be happy to be this person's mess mate?
Would you trust him with a weapon?
Would you trust him with your life?
I suspect that it it fear of litigation (European human rights laws etc) that is to blame...
* Including those that don't include belief in God in a Christian/Jewish/Islamic context........
Satanism rejects all the above, involves no sense of morality or compassion, and places emphasis on not following rules and deliberately being different - sometimes intenionally setting out to do harm.
Would you be happy to be this person's mess mate?
Would you trust him with a weapon?
Would you trust him with your life?
I suspect that it it fear of litigation (European human rights laws etc) that is to blame...