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Having done my time at MOD I can assure readers that there is a lot of time sitting in chairs, writing reports, researching, computing, conferences etc etc etc. For 2 or 3 years (hopefully not more) that is your primary workplace.
Now, elsewhere in this forum there are millions of bleats about not having the right kit for the job. So where does this put having chairs that are fit for the job?
With RSI and lower back problems caused by unsuitable chairs surely this is a cost effective measure. And I guarantee that in some civilian organisations they would pay a heck of a lot more for office chairs.
It's dead easy taking a crack at someone else's job - until you are in there doing it!
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Now, elsewhere in this forum there are millions of bleats about not having the right kit for the job. So where does this put having chairs that are fit for the job?
With RSI and lower back problems caused by unsuitable chairs surely this is a cost effective measure. And I guarantee that in some civilian organisations they would pay a heck of a lot more for office chairs.
It's dead easy taking a crack at someone else's job - until you are in there doing it!
Rant over - exits stage right bloody smartish =======>>>>>>>
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We have some of these chairs where I work (not a MOD establishment).
They are very good, but you do need to do a 3 day course to figure out what all of the buttons, levers and handles do. Unfortunately, the course is not provided with in the cost!
I do agree that it makes a change to have "the right kit for the right job", however, they are I am not convinced they are worth the asking price.
They are very good, but you do need to do a 3 day course to figure out what all of the buttons, levers and handles do. Unfortunately, the course is not provided with in the cost!
I do agree that it makes a change to have "the right kit for the right job", however, they are I am not convinced they are worth the asking price.
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With RSI and lower back problems caused by unsuitable chairs surely this is a cost effective measure. And I guarantee that in some civilian organisations they would pay a heck of a lot more for office chairs.
... A more effective measure to combat RSI and back strain would be to sack the Look-at-me-i'm-important-because-I-wear-a-suit shower of tw@ts and then they can all get REAL jobs in the REAL World (I reckon 0* sh1tboy in MacDonald's is about what 99% of them could aspire to) Then redirect the money the front line people who have to stick their lives on the line.
... Oh I forgot, Golden Brown's gonna do that ain't he? - NOT
BTW - I'm an ex-MoD Civil Servant... but i'm cured now.
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It's simple really......
....just buy bar-stools instead,because you'll need 75% less stools.......just invert them and let them share one between four people......
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Alan
Go back and read your post and ask yourself "what sort of a twit do I look"
With folks at the sharp end having to buy their own gear just to get by and you are trying to justify a Blunt Command decision to spend an obscene amount on feckin arm chairs to stop some malingerer from getting back ache or a sore wrist
Good grief
all spelling mistakes are "df"alcohol induced
Go back and read your post and ask yourself "what sort of a twit do I look" With folks at the sharp end having to buy their own gear just to get by and you are trying to justify a Blunt Command decision to spend an obscene amount on feckin arm chairs to stop some malingerer from getting back ache or a sore wrist
Good grief
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allan907,
I stand by most of what I said. I had the honour of serving in the MoD for 8 years. Some of which was quite rewarding. but as I advanced up the ladder I realised there were a lot of people in higher places making some really bum judgments (or doing nothing at all) For the best part of my career I worked in Faslane as a Comms project Officer (Read Scapegoat) The amount of times I had to go to the RN/RAF and Inform them that key equipment would be late in delivery (For which I was made personally responsible) due to someone higher up not capable of making decisions eventually turned me sour. I left in 1996. I'm not sorry.
As for those who feel i've been somewhat harsh in my last post, I will say this - I appologize to those Civil Servants that can look in the mirror And say to themselves with honesty that they are doing a good job for thier military customers. However I didn't meet too many of them in my time. And Eventually, I became one myself
I stand by most of what I said. I had the honour of serving in the MoD for 8 years. Some of which was quite rewarding. but as I advanced up the ladder I realised there were a lot of people in higher places making some really bum judgments (or doing nothing at all) For the best part of my career I worked in Faslane as a Comms project Officer (Read Scapegoat) The amount of times I had to go to the RN/RAF and Inform them that key equipment would be late in delivery (For which I was made personally responsible) due to someone higher up not capable of making decisions eventually turned me sour. I left in 1996. I'm not sorry.
As for those who feel i've been somewhat harsh in my last post, I will say this - I appologize to those Civil Servants that can look in the mirror And say to themselves with honesty that they are doing a good job for thier military customers. However I didn't meet too many of them in my time. And Eventually, I became one myself
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Aunty Betty has Privy Council meetings standing up - perhaps MoD should take its lead from the Head of the Armed Forces.
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I hope the chairs went through the corrct procurement process. It will take 8-10 years, be 50% over budget, at least 2 people will be promoted and they will do a job that is no longer required.
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Althenick .... and others
I do not dispute the fact that MOD (and Command and Group (do you still have those any more?)) contain more than their fair share of idiots. However, one of my thrusts, was the fact that you immediately assumed they are blunties. You forget that most staff officers are drawn from other branches. And perhaps that's where the rub is. A GD officer, or similar, wants to play with Aunty Betty's shiny kit. Staff work, secondary duties etc etc are just a pain in the arse that interferes with the 'real' job of having a good time at the taxpayer's expense. Then, whoops, because he's a 'good mate' and gets the right ticks in the box, suddenly finds him/herself promoted and in the staff officer zone. The various staff courses come hard and they eventually find themselves flying a desk with neither the ability or the enthusiasm to do the job.
Compound that with the system which works on the pollies telling us what to do with how much, put a layer of Treasury and other civil servants in between and you have the classic recipe for screwing things up.
However, when doing your staff job, why should you not be entitled to have the right kit for the job in the same way as a better AAM will achieve a better kill rate, a better boot will keep foot rot at bay, a better bergen will prevent lower back injury, a better racking system will help stores location etc etc etc.
Yes, it is a damned shame that some kit is not up to the job and mates have to buy their own but don't necessarily blame it on the blunties. Have a go at any prat deserving of it but don't simply lump all the blame on one section of the population. In other spheres that can be classed as racist!!!!!
As an ex civil servant Althenick I am sure that you have come across the expression "People in glass houses should not stow thrones". ABIW - careful - you might find yourself in a staff job one day (providing the RAF lasts that long!)
Exits stage right bloody smartish and awaits incoming ====>>>>>>>>
I do not dispute the fact that MOD (and Command and Group (do you still have those any more?)) contain more than their fair share of idiots. However, one of my thrusts, was the fact that you immediately assumed they are blunties. You forget that most staff officers are drawn from other branches. And perhaps that's where the rub is. A GD officer, or similar, wants to play with Aunty Betty's shiny kit. Staff work, secondary duties etc etc are just a pain in the arse that interferes with the 'real' job of having a good time at the taxpayer's expense. Then, whoops, because he's a 'good mate' and gets the right ticks in the box, suddenly finds him/herself promoted and in the staff officer zone. The various staff courses come hard and they eventually find themselves flying a desk with neither the ability or the enthusiasm to do the job.
Compound that with the system which works on the pollies telling us what to do with how much, put a layer of Treasury and other civil servants in between and you have the classic recipe for screwing things up.
However, when doing your staff job, why should you not be entitled to have the right kit for the job in the same way as a better AAM will achieve a better kill rate, a better boot will keep foot rot at bay, a better bergen will prevent lower back injury, a better racking system will help stores location etc etc etc.
Yes, it is a damned shame that some kit is not up to the job and mates have to buy their own but don't necessarily blame it on the blunties. Have a go at any prat deserving of it but don't simply lump all the blame on one section of the population. In other spheres that can be classed as racist!!!!!
As an ex civil servant Althenick I am sure that you have come across the expression "People in glass houses should not stow thrones". ABIW - careful - you might find yourself in a staff job one day (providing the RAF lasts that long!)
Exits stage right bloody smartish and awaits incoming ====>>>>>>>>
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Allan,
WOW. How do you balance so many chips?
'Play with Aunt Betty's shiny kit'?....
Please tell me you have a more informed idea of what it is to operate on the FL over a recent past that has seen almost continual ops!?
Lacking ability to fly a desk?? It's not for everyone, granted, but I have yet to meet a competent operator who can't handle the 'pressure' of a staff tour. Those that opt for staff tours do so after a conscious decision to pursue that career path - the days of pressing pilots into ground tours are pretty well gone. When did anyone last see a JO pilot/nav in a ground tour?
As for chairs - sure, they should be fit for purpose. But why only at MOD? Do the boys and girls at STC/GP/Stns not suffer from RSI? You'll find a FL FLt Cdr probably spends as much time at a keyboard as many at MOD - not that you would have any knowledge of that.
WOW. How do you balance so many chips?
'Play with Aunt Betty's shiny kit'?....
Please tell me you have a more informed idea of what it is to operate on the FL over a recent past that has seen almost continual ops!?
Lacking ability to fly a desk?? It's not for everyone, granted, but I have yet to meet a competent operator who can't handle the 'pressure' of a staff tour. Those that opt for staff tours do so after a conscious decision to pursue that career path - the days of pressing pilots into ground tours are pretty well gone. When did anyone last see a JO pilot/nav in a ground tour?
As for chairs - sure, they should be fit for purpose. But why only at MOD? Do the boys and girls at STC/GP/Stns not suffer from RSI? You'll find a FL FLt Cdr probably spends as much time at a keyboard as many at MOD - not that you would have any knowledge of that.
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Allan907,
If these chairs are so vital for sucessful staff work, why aren't they in HQ STC, the Gps, SHQ, Stn Cdr's ofice, etc....
I'll answer it myself: Because the self-serving civil bl00dy servants aren't working there!
If these chairs are so vital for sucessful staff work, why aren't they in HQ STC, the Gps, SHQ, Stn Cdr's ofice, etc....
I'll answer it myself: Because the self-serving civil bl00dy servants aren't working there!
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Viking Direct - leather-faced, swivelling, adjustable, v v comfy, but not bomb-proof nor NBC protected and without a full ECM suite as the MoD ones will surely have for that price - £50 plus VAT. Discount available for large orders. Can't say fairer than that, me duck.