Tutor Grounding
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Tutor Grounding
Sitting out here in the N Sea and wondering if the Tutor is still grounded and if there have been any initial findings after the hub failure. Will I get to fly on Summer Camp?
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Check the link in my post above.
In essence the forced landing seems so have been caused by the prop de-laminating, or similar. All Tutors grounded while they work out what the problem is, how to test the remaining props etc.
The process seem to be taking longer than first hope (a first, surely).
Check the link in my post above.
In essence the forced landing seems so have been caused by the prop de-laminating, or similar. All Tutors grounded while they work out what the problem is, how to test the remaining props etc.
The process seem to be taking longer than first hope (a first, surely).
AA & DS
The fleet has been grounded since 30 June and it was caused by an entire blade departing from the propellor hub. IMHA - not good!!
It could be a long grounding, just when all the UASs are on "Summer Camp".
Bring back the 'Dog!!
The fleet has been grounded since 30 June and it was caused by an entire blade departing from the propellor hub. IMHA - not good!!
It could be a long grounding, just when all the UASs are on "Summer Camp".
Bring back the 'Dog!!
Bring back the 'Dog? You'll want to bring back real Summer Camps, increase the flying hours, stop the silly streaming idea, get rid of FTRS instructors, get back down to 250 ft at low level, reintroduce the PIFG....even own your own RAF military trainers. Whatever next??!!
No, that would never happen. The Contracter Owned Military Operated Plastic Spastic, aka Das Teutor, is the result of a Bold New Initiative, a sound Management Vision, ain't it?
Well, isn't it??
No, that would never happen. The Contracter Owned Military Operated Plastic Spastic, aka Das Teutor, is the result of a Bold New Initiative, a sound Management Vision, ain't it?
Well, isn't it??
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Well I hope they get the thing fixed by mid August when I'm due to "give up my free time for the youth of today" 
or hobby flying as my daughter calls it. The Tutor is a good a/c for our AEF role, the Chippie was fun to fly but with some short cadets all they saw was the DI staring them in the face!! The Bulldog was better but was showing its age at the end. While "Das Tutor" is fun to fly, is fast, climbs well and is easy to aerobat. It is just a pity that it sheds propellor blades !!
Oh and Beags I found my PIFG "wings" the other day -happy days on NUAS.
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or hobby flying as my daughter calls it. The Tutor is a good a/c for our AEF role, the Chippie was fun to fly but with some short cadets all they saw was the DI staring them in the face!! The Bulldog was better but was showing its age at the end. While "Das Tutor" is fun to fly, is fast, climbs well and is easy to aerobat. It is just a pity that it sheds propellor blades !! Oh and Beags I found my PIFG "wings" the other day -happy days on NUAS.
HF
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Beags - Crikey I knew that Newkie Brown had long term effects but I didn't think it would show so soon
. It all becomes clear now. I seem to remember that my PIFG gave me a MDH of about 1500ft on the CADF procedure at RAF Ouston but off course we weren't allowed above cloud in the good old Chipmunk! (funny old thing we have only just been cleared to go IMC in Das Tutor!!)
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. It all becomes clear now. I seem to remember that my PIFG gave me a MDH of about 1500ft on the CADF procedure at RAF Ouston but off course we weren't allowed above cloud in the good old Chipmunk! (funny old thing we have only just been cleared to go IMC in Das Tutor!!)Happy Days
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PIFG Wings ...
I'm sure I got PIFG wings, as well as PFB wings when I did it as a stude. It was a while ago now so I may be mistaken.
I think we were cleared solo through 1500' feet of cloud but only on one heading and under a RAS or radar control from Warton - Woodvale didnt have any radar services. Never got to exercise this privilege as I left just after getting the PIFG.
Solo student breaks were fun tho'
Oggin
Kinloss ATC to SB (who later ended up at ISK as a nav) returning solo with a loose fire extinguisher in the 'Dog: Pan U xxx, confirm gear down?
SB: Down and welded, Pan U xxx
I think we were cleared solo through 1500' feet of cloud but only on one heading and under a RAS or radar control from Warton - Woodvale didnt have any radar services. Never got to exercise this privilege as I left just after getting the PIFG.
Solo student breaks were fun tho'
Oggin
Kinloss ATC to SB (who later ended up at ISK as a nav) returning solo with a loose fire extinguisher in the 'Dog: Pan U xxx, confirm gear down?
SB: Down and welded, Pan U xxx
Well, I sent one of my girls off to do a solo radio aids navex above 8/8 cloud after she'd passed her PIFG.....she did fine and came back with loads of confidence in her abilities!!
On the Chippie my PIFG test in September 1971 was an ACR7 approach into RAF Andover.... Happy days - and we even had a reasonable sized air force then!
On the Chippie my PIFG test in September 1971 was an ACR7 approach into RAF Andover.... Happy days - and we even had a reasonable sized air force then!
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Dream on!!
Anyway the Tutor is grounded until at least the 19th. However NDT starts on Tuesday at a place somewhere in Lincs (apparently) then somewhere further south.
I dont know about bringing back the Dog, but bringing back a Serviceable aircraft would suffice for now.
Happy Holidays to all of the Tutor Pilots out there
is fast, climbs well
Anyway the Tutor is grounded until at least the 19th. However NDT starts on Tuesday at a place somewhere in Lincs (apparently) then somewhere further south.
I dont know about bringing back the Dog, but bringing back a Serviceable aircraft would suffice for now.
Happy Holidays to all of the Tutor Pilots out there
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Have you flown the Chipmunk? Compared to that Das Tutor is supersonic!!It even outperforms the Bulldog especially getting back onto the ground quickly after cadet aeros. The only thing I can criticise is the wide canopy arch which blocks off a fair amount of sky!! In the UAS role it may be different.
HF
Have you flown the Chipmunk? Compared to that Das Tutor is supersonic!!It even outperforms the Bulldog especially getting back onto the ground quickly after cadet aeros. The only thing I can criticise is the wide canopy arch which blocks off a fair amount of sky!! In the UAS role it may be different.
HF
OK - it comes down quickly....
Does Das Teutor have a roll rate (apart from trick flicks) anywhere close to that of the 'Dog? From what I've heard, that isn't the case by quite some margin.
Does Das Teutor have a roll rate (apart from trick flicks) anywhere close to that of the 'Dog? From what I've heard, that isn't the case by quite some margin.
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Come now Beagle. The Tutor is a good aircraft as was the Bulldog in its time but its time is past. I have asked you before,"Why don't you have a Bulldog in your own flying club/school?" And the answer:- "It's too expensive." It's too expensive for the RAF, too.
Who is the idiot who chose the Grob 115 E over all the other contenders? Collectively, the RAF in the form of various involved pilots and the staff at Cranwell. If it's really that bad, then it's a self inflicted injury.
Who put the problematic propellor on the aircraft? See answer above. When originally presented, I understand it had a two blade prop, presumably the same as is used on the 'D' model which doesn't have a problem as far as I know. Cranwell wanted the three blade prop reputedly so that they could slow down faster and make the first turn off the runway. Thats what I heard. You prove me wrong.
Because of the three blade prop, studes are taught to move the prop to 'coarse' during PFLs, presumably to give a more realistic sink rate. I think three have been seriously damaged on landing so far after the stude moved the mixture lever instead. Self inflicted injury.
If you had the chance, you would operate Tutors instead of those antedeluvian PA 28s you have.
Are you prepared to defend your corner if and when that consortium you are involved with supplies and operates the replacement for that wonderful, incomparable, better than anything before or since, Vickers VC 10 Tanker.
Mike W
Who is the idiot who chose the Grob 115 E over all the other contenders? Collectively, the RAF in the form of various involved pilots and the staff at Cranwell. If it's really that bad, then it's a self inflicted injury.
Who put the problematic propellor on the aircraft? See answer above. When originally presented, I understand it had a two blade prop, presumably the same as is used on the 'D' model which doesn't have a problem as far as I know. Cranwell wanted the three blade prop reputedly so that they could slow down faster and make the first turn off the runway. Thats what I heard. You prove me wrong.
Because of the three blade prop, studes are taught to move the prop to 'coarse' during PFLs, presumably to give a more realistic sink rate. I think three have been seriously damaged on landing so far after the stude moved the mixture lever instead. Self inflicted injury.
If you had the chance, you would operate Tutors instead of those antedeluvian PA 28s you have.
Are you prepared to defend your corner if and when that consortium you are involved with supplies and operates the replacement for that wonderful, incomparable, better than anything before or since, Vickers VC 10 Tanker.
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studes are taught to move the prop to 'coarse' during PFLs
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Mike - I have NO connection with the FSTA consortium to which you refer!
I most certainly would not wish to replace our cheap-as-chips 'antediluvian' PA28s with the Plastic Spastic. Or with the 'Dog for that matter. We have requirements which differ considerably to those of HMFC; not the least is that the training aeroplane should also be an acceptable tourer - 2 up and they have an endurance of about 5 hours. We don't need to have aerobatic aeroplanes and the cost/benefit of a VP prop rules out a 'complex' aeroplane variant for PPL-level training.
Were I to choose an aerobatic aeroplane, the 'Dog would be a potential candidate. BUT, as soon as someone damaged an unreplaceable canopy or windscreen, that would be it! That's the sort of thing which would makes it 'expensive'! As well as the cost of maintenance and the little matter of fuel consumption with that draggy canopy!
For private use I'd like to own a PA28R - and perhaps rent something more interesting for aeros if the fancy took me..
I most certainly would not wish to replace our cheap-as-chips 'antediluvian' PA28s with the Plastic Spastic. Or with the 'Dog for that matter. We have requirements which differ considerably to those of HMFC; not the least is that the training aeroplane should also be an acceptable tourer - 2 up and they have an endurance of about 5 hours. We don't need to have aerobatic aeroplanes and the cost/benefit of a VP prop rules out a 'complex' aeroplane variant for PPL-level training.
Were I to choose an aerobatic aeroplane, the 'Dog would be a potential candidate. BUT, as soon as someone damaged an unreplaceable canopy or windscreen, that would be it! That's the sort of thing which would makes it 'expensive'! As well as the cost of maintenance and the little matter of fuel consumption with that draggy canopy!
For private use I'd like to own a PA28R - and perhaps rent something more interesting for aeros if the fancy took me..
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That old adage of one needing a sense of humour, or they shouldn't have joined?
Picture the scene:
Studes on Summer Camp, many of them relying on this period to further their flying aspirations, chance to pull totty (delete as required).......Fantastic weather, met man wrong again.........
Upon hearing the woeful tale from our leader of the fate of Das Tuetor, the nearest they've come to flying all camp has been a lucky catch in the outfield during a Soft Ball game.........
Upon hearing the tones of something non-birdlike, all search the skies for the origin of the 'purr'.
Has Das Teutor been fixed, was the Plastic Spastic airborne again, defying its detractors? What foolish fellow was doing circuits, didn't they realise flying was banned, we're trying to play Soft Ball down here....
No.
One of the hapless QFI's had borrowed a Chippy so atleast some of the Studes could actually go flying during Camp!!
Another reason why you need a SOH if you want to join, a valuable lesson to all our Studes me thinks!!!!!!!
Picture the scene:
Studes on Summer Camp, many of them relying on this period to further their flying aspirations, chance to pull totty (delete as required).......Fantastic weather, met man wrong again.........
Upon hearing the woeful tale from our leader of the fate of Das Tuetor, the nearest they've come to flying all camp has been a lucky catch in the outfield during a Soft Ball game.........
Upon hearing the tones of something non-birdlike, all search the skies for the origin of the 'purr'.
Has Das Teutor been fixed, was the Plastic Spastic airborne again, defying its detractors? What foolish fellow was doing circuits, didn't they realise flying was banned, we're trying to play Soft Ball down here....
No.
One of the hapless QFI's had borrowed a Chippy so atleast some of the Studes could actually go flying during Camp!!
Another reason why you need a SOH if you want to join, a valuable lesson to all our Studes me thinks!!!!!!!